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Beatrice and Eugenie are not Princesses because their father is/was a Prince, but because they are children of a son of a sovereign. Previous Message
Yes, thanks for that reminder and there is that precedent, just extraordinarily unusual. I suppose the other issue I don't understand the logic of is how his two daughters manage to retain any "princely" style though? After all - they lost the "of York" appendage, and now their own father is not even an "Honourable" so...how or where does their rank derive from if not that parent's current rank or style? Here's another way of reasoning this also: if the govt. of the day gives a commoner a life or hereditary peerage, and that person also has existing offspring, doesn't that offspring also acquire a courtesy or lesser title? So, for instance, the daughter/son of a newly created earl will then be styled "Lady X" or "Viscount Z"...but then surely the reverse chain of logic also applies in the event of the parental loss of the main title? Previous Message
James … Pss Patricia of Connaught had her HRH and Princess of YKoGB&NI removed by LP in 1919 prior to her marriage to Alexander Ramsay … it’s certainly happened before ( though voluntarily) In 1937 George VI denied HRH to the newly married Duchess of Windsor , of course not the same as removal but equally serious . Previous Message
Here's the link where I read of this latest news on the title removal - it does quote part of the BP announcement. I doubt it will be debated, but I can't think of a precedent in history because all previous title removal discussions have been about a nobiliary title given through an LP and not a princely style which by right of birth was always his. Also - regarding those two daughters - they derive their style from their father's identity as a prince so if he in fact is no longer to be that, then how on earth are they still "princess"? By what right or precedent? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-31/prince-andrew-to-leave-royal-lodge-lose-title/105955534 Previous Message
My understanding of the "formal process" is that it will require an Act of Parliament to remove the titles.
I also understand there was some discusson of this a few years ago, that would have allowed the monarch the ability to do this, but that those discussions did not pan out.
My questions to anyone are:
1 - Would both the House of Lords & House of Commons vote on this?
2 - How long would legislation like this take to go through? Also, I'm assuming that Beatrice & Eugenie will retain their titles and status, and that Andrew will still retain his place in the line of succession - would that be correct? Previous Message
OMG!!!
HMTK has removed his style and title of HRH, Pr of the YKo GB& I…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnveqgj957dt
As of this second I have not read nor researched anything ! More to follow … by everyone ! I do once again suggest a precedent was set when George V removed said styles etc for Pss Patricia of Connaught , plus the denial of HRH to the Duchess of Windsor, plus denial of HRH for divorced wife’s of Princes of UKoGB&I all of which were issued via Letters Patent by the current monarch . Right now I am wondering if HMTK has issued a new LP or just a BP press release (?which has the same affect as Nellie pointed out recently )
I wonder where Mr Mountbatten - Windsor fits in in the table of precedence , he’s still the son of a monarch and brother of the current monarch, he should still rank above the Edinburghs?? Let’s see how fast the UK tabloid media stats to demand the same for his daughters .
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