Having married a junior prince from a minor german princely family, she could have opted for maintaining the family name, probably asking Parliament to pass a law to enable Edward VII to carry on the name.
One may say the Hannover name have been tainted with Victoria's uncles, but during her reign, the name was "regenerated" and "recycled" , so it could have been an option.
Probably, her love and devotion for Pr.Albert, meant she was willing to give up her family name in favour of what she felt was right - that their children should carry the father's name.
Opposite to Wilhemina who might have had a different relationship with Hendryk .
Should there have not happened WW1 and we would have had the Saxe-Coburgs (formally and in name, not just genealogically) in the british throne until today.
As there was WW1, George V decided to renounce and give up his own family name for a fictional one - Windsor.
We will have to wait for Charles accession to know what will it happen.
A New dynasty ?
My guess is that he will remain a Windsor, not a Windsor-Mountbatten even less just a Mountbatten, but we will have to wait and see.
Same thing happened in Monaco.
The Grimaldis (in a patrilineal line) are dead as dodos or ... as Oranges.
The last Grimaldi having been Louise-Hippolythe married to Jacques de Goyon-Matignon, who adopted the name.
The current prince is genealogically and patrilineally a Polignac, not a Grimaldi.
But, again, Pr.Pierre de Polignac was forced to adopt the princely family name and abdicate the right that every man has to pass his name to his children .
I know that nowadays laws have been softened to allow for every sort of names.
As I said, the current portuguese law ended the old fashion way of Christian name+Mother's surname+Father's surname.
Nowadays you can give your child just the mother's or the father's surname, mother before father or after, or, M-F-M or F-M-F, or even the name of a great-grand-father whose name the parents don't even use.
That would be very easy when studying genealogy
There are plenty of people who have their mother's family name. In recent years by choice, previously because the father was either not officially mentioned in documents or because the mother's family had a higher status. Occasionally the father's name was added to it but not always.
The fact that in most cases the surname of children born in a marriage was that of their father was due to law, but the law did make exceptions. Those exceptions included the Van Oranje-Nassau name and as such it is the only Legal surname for several generations. There is also a distinction between the children of the late prince Friso and those of his younger brother prince Constantijn. Prince Friso's daughters are countesses van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg with the surname Van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg. They are part of the Dutch nobility. Prince Constantijn's children are count(less) Van Oranje-Nassau, jonkheer/vrouwe van Amsberg. So they had a double title something that is not accepted for the nobility but common for Dutch Royals.
Princess Christina like her sister Princess Irene married without parliamentary consent. Their children are as grandchildren of Queen Juliana members of the Royal family but not of the Royal House and never were. They got the name of their father and in case of Irene's children his rank and title.
Law is what dictates any individual's right to officially use a surname.
True,
But if yr father's name is Smith and you need a law to allow you to use another name, like your great-grand-father, I rest my case.
the only reason why your surname is the way it is is because it's been according to the laws of the country you were born in or whose nationality you have.
The same applies to me. My surname is dictated by Dutch law, had i been born in another part of the world it would have totally different. In Spain my surname would consist of two parts linked by Y and probably being the first part of both my grandfathers' surnames. In the Netherlands that is not a legal option. In Iceland my surname might not even truly exist and i could have had a patronymic or matronymic name following my Christian name.
As for genealogy:
King Felipe VI of Spain is a grandson of King Paul of Greece and as such a genealogical descendant. The fact that the line goes through Sofia does not make the two men any less grandfather and grandson than Felipe is the grandson of Juan, count of Barcelona.
True again.
That's why Felipe is "de Borbon y Grecia".
His daughter Leonor is also a descendant of Paul of Greece and she does not carry her name.
The current generation of Marones and Torlonias are descendants of Alfonso XIII and Victoria Eugenia and they don't carry Borbon or Battenberg in their names.
If you are talking of a male line descendant being the only way to be genealogically linked you might want to consider that no child is born without a mother so her line is as important as the father's.
Historically speaking, one carries one father's name for generation.
I suppose you have your father's as he had his father's and his father had his grand-father's.
Where is your grand-mother's name in your family ?
I was given both my grand-father's surnames but the next generation has their own two grand-father's surnames.
You are mistaken on the surname of Friso's children and the children of Margriet.
Margriet's sons have like the sons of her oldest sister Beatrix the surname Van Oranje-Nassau. That is why Bernhard is racing under the name Van Oranje. The fact that they also have their father's name or title added on is logical when it comes to the noble titles of their fathers. It is in line with normal noble laws that a child of a nobleman can carry his title.
The same way the son of a commonner can carry his father's name.
In the case of Margriet's sons there was a special decision because Queen Juliana wanted to show her support of her daughter marrying a commoner by not creating a noble title for him. Showing that a commoner is just as good as a nobleman and he did not need a special title to become a member of the Royal House.
To this day he is an official member of the Dutch Royal House as well as the Dutch Royal Family (there is a clear distinction the first has to do with succession rights and ministerial responsibility and the second only indicates a certain family link with the Dutch monarch through that monarch or a previous monarch).
Do Christina's children also carry their royal surname ?
You also bypassed the fact that the title of Prince of Orange did come through a female line into the Nassau family.
Philibert of Chalons, prince of Orange was succeeded by his nephew Rene of Chalons. He was the son of Philibert's pre-deceased sister Claudia of Chalons and her husband count Henry III of Nassau.
Rene (surprising also usually given his maternal surname) in turn left his titles to his first cousin William the silent. Oldest son of his father's younger brother Willem the Rich, count of Nassau-Dillenburg.
After the death of William III the king-stadholder in 1702 the title Prince of Orange was contested.
In 1732 two heirs agreed to both use the title. Both of them descended from William the Silent through a female line (being the offspring of the oldest daughter and the second and third daughter of prince Frederik Hendrik respectively). The king in Prussia used based his claim on the will of Frederik Hendrik and Johan Willem Friso of Nassau-Dietz on the will of William III.
To this day the Prussian Hohenzollerns and the Dutch Royals use the title.
I beg to differ.
We are saying the same thing in different ways.
Genealogically speaking, the house of Orange is extinct since the death of Q.Wilhelmina.
As you well put it, "the dynastic name of the children of Wilhelmina and Hendrik was decided by law"
So, they created a fiction. If Juliana could be named of Orange on her own right, there was no need for Parliament to pass such bill, right ?
A fiction that endured for two more generations with Beatrix "von Lippe" and W-A "von Amsberg" and that will surely continue when Catarina Amalia "von Amsberg" will marry Mr. van Smith and their children will be allowed to carry the Orange surname instead of being Pr.Pss N van Smith.
You say the children of the late Pr.Friso have the van Amsberg surname which is the logical thing.
In An Online Gotha, there is a slight difference: after their christian names come the titles Css van Oranje-Nassau, Jonkvrouw van Amsberg, so I am not sure about the names they have in their identity cards/passports.
What when Luana marries another Mr. van Smith ? Will the fictio go on with a Css van Oranje-Nassau, Jonkvrouw van Amsberg, van Smith ?
On the Wikipedia page on Maurits van Vollenhoven (ok it's Wikip.) one can read "By Royal Decree of 26 May 1998, the children of van Vollenhoven bear the surname "van Lippe-Biesterfeld van Vollenhoven"."
For me, that's a neat recognition that Maurit's mother is a "van Lippe-Bisterfeld", and not a "van Oranje", or else she would have passed the latter.
But, as I said, this is all fiction.
There are no more genealogical Oranges, just people related to the last Orange person who are allowed to use such name.
BTW in the NL is it usual for someone to carry both parents surnames ?
Is there a prticular order - Mother-Father (as in Maurits) or Father-Mother or can one freely choose the order ?
As a motorsport fan, I found it odd that Bernhard van Vollenhoven had choosen to race (with modest results) under the name Bernhard van Orange but I looked it up and apparently he can.
The royal surname probably allows him to find sponsors more easily
Well you are wrong on that matter. There was the Nassau-family pact that made it possible for women to transmit the name and titles when both branches (Orange-Nassau and Nassau-Weilburg) were facing male line extinction the branches accepted the heiresses as legitimate heirs.
In the Netherlands the dynastic name of the children of Wilhelmina and Hendrik was decided by law. A special law made that Juliana had the family-name of Orange-Nassau and the same law applied for her four daughters.
These days the family-name is stipulated in the special bill of consent that needs to pass the Estates-General for the dynast to remain in line of succession after marriage.
So Wilhelmina was the last of Orange-Nassau-Dietz but her daughter, granddaughters and some of their lines are of Orange-Nassau.
The family name of the children of the late prince Friso is Van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg.
The legal surname of the children of prince Maurits is Van Lippe-Biesterfeld van Vollenhoven and the name of the children of his younger brothers is Van Vollenhoven. The four sons of Princes Margriet themselves however are Of Orange-Nassau's.
Time and time again the Orange succession comes to the discussion.
For me, the house of Orange is extinct since the death of Q.Wilhelmina.
Genealogically speaking, Q.Juliana was a Mecklenburg, Q.Beatrix was a Lippe and K. Willem-Alexander is a von Amsberg, full stop.
By an artificial strategy, Willem III managed to maintain the name alive.
Opposite to the Habsburgs, who passed their heritage to the Lorraine via a woman, MT, the inclusion of the Orange title in the present dutch RF did not come via a woman, but via male succession, the last prince of Orange in his line René de Nassau-Chalon left it to his cousin William the Silent.
French titles use to abide to the salic law so I wonder if it was legitimate for Willem III to "unsalicize" the Orange succession, the same way he could NOT "unsalicize" the Nassau one.
Which would be the next line with a better claim to the Orange title if the salic law had been observed ?
The Nassaus ?
Was the Nassaus non-opposition to the prestigious Orange title succession (not speaking of the succession to the dutch throne) part of the bargain that allowed GDk Adolphe to succeed in Luxembourg ?
Assuming that the Spanish monarchy survives for many more years, what would be the royal family’s name once Leonor’s heir takes over? Would they change it to Leonor’s husband’s surname, or would they follow the Dutch, Austrian, and Russian examples and just continue with “Borbon”?
In the Austrian case, Maria Theresa’s father was the last male of the entire house so she was the natural heiress of the name, etc. Not as sure about Romanov, but the Dutch are heirs of Orange (not of Nassau). Leonor is not even close to being heiress of the house of Bourbon. There are over 100 males of that lineage, I think. If the Spanish want the Bourbons that badly she should marry one.
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