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Re: OT Duke of Lancaster
I would agree that, by custom, the residents of the Channel Islands refer to the Queen as 'Our duke'. The Channel Islands, obviously, are remnants of the old Duchy of Normandy. However, the duchy of Normandy, with the exception of the Channel Isles, were ceded back to the French king and the English king relinquished any claim to the duchy as a consequence per the agreement of the Treaty of Paris, 1259.
In addition, the French kings from that time on, 1259, granted the title 'Le Duc d'Normandie' to his heir on various occasions, I think 4 times. The last French 'duc d' Normandie' was bestowed by Louis XVI to his son in 1789.
As Charles pointed out, it is used in the Channel Islands by custom, but there is a strong legal case that it is not a legitimate title. But whenever this comes up I think of the story of when this was explained to George VI. "I always thought I was Duke of Lancaster," he is reputed to have said, "And I intend to go on thinking that I am Duke of Lancaster!"
In the Channels Isles, Jersey, Guernsey, etc., the British queen is known as 'The queen, our duke!', i.e., the Duke of Normandy. Perhaps that situation maybe anachronistic title but I suppose it is at least out of sentiment that she is the Channel Islands, duke.
He was given the title for life and still is alive so i don't see why he would not still be duke.
Isn't the Queen still Duke of Lancaster?
While Lancaster is reckoned to be a duchy (itís a quirky situation; rather than a dukedom, like the Swedish titles), the title of Duke seems to be used by custom rather than have a definitive legal basis. So, some argue she is not Duke of Lancaster at all.
I would have thought that the Swedish Kingís dukedom pre-accession is more like how George VI was Duke of York and ceased to be immediately on his accession.
Im not sure but i believe Albert II is still Prince of Liege as well..