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Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/19/2019, 4:11 pm

I bought two Sabal Birminghams at Gary's Nursery on the same day but one doesn't look like a Sabal Birmingham and maybe more like a Sabal palmetto , or maybe the secret hybrid that created Sabal Birminghams in the first place ? The Holy Grail of Sabals .

Here's one of the Sabal Birminghams I got from Gary and planted on February 21st 2011 . This one looks like the typical Sabal Birmingham .

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Another picture of it :

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Here's the palm in question and was bought on the same day as the previous Birmingham ( This palm was run over by a car about 6 years ago and I moved it away from the driveway . I always thought that it was stunted by a couple years after the hit and run but is very healthy now but still doesn't look like a Birmy . The other palm is way bigger , especially with that fat Birmy trunk ) :
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Trunk of that palm ; way less fat than most Sabal Birminghams ;
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Picture of a frond :
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Here's a picture of a Sabal palmetto frond :
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The trunk is what is so different . I can't wait to see how it turns out in a few more years .
What do you think ?
Thanks ,
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :

Posted by Jim in Iowa <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+in+Iowa' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/19/2019, 6:36 pm, in reply to "Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :"

That last picture is really an interesting leaf formation...
I wonder if the blades fuzing together is an adaptation
for cold concentrating the sugars of the leaves more in
the center near the mid-rib.

Because it almost reminds me of a Pindo palm a little with
the leaf shape..which reminds me as much of a feather as it
does a fan.

Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/20/2019, 7:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :"

Interesting thoughts Jim .
I wonder if that Barmy's trunk will look like most do in a few years too .
Thanks ,
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :

Posted by jay-mid-md <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=jay-mid-md' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/20/2019, 8:28 pm, in reply to "Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :"

Hi. What kind of Cactus is that? Someone in Fairfax VA has them all around the perimeter of their yard.

J mid-md z7a

Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/23/2019, 6:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :"

Jay ,
That's an Opuntia cactus or Prickly Pear cactus .
I think I'm going to put in a new variety of Opuntia cactus that is spineless . That one will stick you if you look at it .
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :

Posted by Jim Wilmington DE 7a <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+Wilmington+DE+7a' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/27/2019, 11:05 am, in reply to "Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :"

My amateur opinion: Both Birminghams are Birminghams. The observed differences could be chalked up to so many things. The incident with the car. The different planting sites. Is one in more sun than the other? Does one have more access to ground water than the other? I think environment can play a huge factor in how two trees of the same species can look so different. I see a lot of this in dicots -- deciduous and evergreen.

Jim, Wilmington, DE, 7a
Last 30 Years Avg. Winter Low: 7.50F
Last 20 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.35F
Last 10 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.40F
Favorite Palms: Species: Phoenix Canariensis / Genus: Sabal

Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 9/27/2019, 12:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Mystery Palm ; the missing link to Sabal Birminghams ? :"

They get about the same conditions Jim .
I'm really interested in what that skinny one looks like in a few more years .
Every Birmy I've ever seen has that fat trunk that gets fatter and fatter as it trunks up . Gary documents his Barmy's growth on his website and it looks like mine in the first pictures .
Thanks ,
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

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