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: Peter was considered but his mother's wealth
: came through her mother who inherited it
: from her parents. They were the Blancs who
: made the Monte Carlo Casino great.
: In a very straight laced, protestant country
: like the Netherlands that was unacceptable.
: Im also not sure if he was Greek Orthodox or
: Greek Catholic. The second faith would have
: been an additional reason. I doubt they met
: when they were young.
: Getting Juliana married was a difficult and
: long project. Wilhelmina had seen her own
: marriage go sour so wanted something better
: for her only daughter. Juliana wanted to
: marry for love but he still needed to from
: the right family and background. As the
: years passed the list of requirements got
: shorter and in the end his serene highness
: prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld with
: little more than charm and good networking
: skills put himself forward and was accepted.
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: In the beginning Wilhelmina wanted a prince
: from a non-German reigning dynasty who
: wasn't a Catholic and preferably a
: protestant.
: Her first cousin Alice of Albany was ideally
: placed to assist as she was the
: sister-in-law to George V of the UK and
: Sybilla of Sweden. Unfortunately there seems
: to have been a kind of rivalry between the
: two first cousins.
: The two younger UK princes were not on any
: list either. Possibly because there have
: been rumours about substance abuse from both
: of them.
: It is a pity that Bertil and his brothers
: were not introduced to Juliana, it might
: have given her a happier marriage than the
: one she ended up in.
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: The Dutch ambassador at the Swedish court
: was
: rather dismissive of the uncles of the
: current King. Only their cousin prince Carl
: (brother of Margareta, Martha and Astrid)
: was deemed to be a potential match for
: Juliana. He however was not interested.
: Surprisingly enough Juliana and Paul of
: Greece met and got on well together but
: George II of Greece needed Paul as his heir
: otherwise Frederika would not have become
: queen. Had Juliana's older brother lived it
: would have been Juliana who would have
: become queen of Greece.
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: That’s interesting to think of. Wasn’t Peter
: of Greece also considered as a potential
: candidate to Juliana?
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: Gustaf VI Adolf was very pro british in his
: sympathies. Both his wifes were british so I
: guess that made him lean towards Britain
: instead of sympaties for Germany (german
: born mother and germa oriented father). I
: would say that GVIA was a democrat but an
: aristocratic one. The swedish royal family
: was quite divided at times, especially at
: WW2. Prince Eugen and prince Carl and
: princess Ingeborg also being sympathetic of
: the allied countries.
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: Regarding prince Bertil, there were rumours
: (or gossip by the press) that Bertil was
: encouraged to court princess Margaret but I
: think it is just gossip (1950.ies). Bertil
: as well as Sigvard and Lennart wre all
: considered suitable consorts of princess
: Juliana.
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: Your last point about the Swedish royal
: family being conservative is interesting.
:
: There is conservative and conservative.
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: Both King Gustav V and his grandson Gustav
: Adolf (the present king's father) were often
: portrayed as Nazi sympathetic.
: Gustav Adolf's wife, Pss Syubilla, was the
: daughter of a high-rank nazi officer.
:
: Maybe our swedish posters can enlighten
: about G-A VI standing on the subject.
: He was considered a rather popular king that
: reinforced the monarchical idea and who
: could oppose the growth of the republican
: ideas that were progressing in Sweden.
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: Did he share the Nazi sympathies of his
: father and son ?
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: Of course G-A was extremely conservative on
: family matters and equal marriages, having
: casted away from succession his sons who
: made unequal marriages and forcing poor
: Pr.Bertil to wait a life long as the spare
: to the throne, before he could marry his
: beloved Lilian, after his nephew became the
: king.
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: Were there any pressions from G-A VI for
: Bertil to marry any royal bride ?
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: I
: seem to think that you are correct b/c C XVI
: G waited until after his grandfather, G VI
: A, had passed to be engaged to a non-royal,
: Silvia Somerlath. My understanding is that
: the old king was stringent about his male
: heirs choice of suitable, preferably royal,
: mates.
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: Furthermore, José made a reference to
: Frederika's daughter marrying a prince of a
: non-reigning house but it is, a bit sad,
: ironic that the Greek royal house would no
: longer reign in a relatively short amount of
: time. In addition, Frederika seemed to have
: a bit of perhaps arrogance or haughtiness in
: regards to other royal houses. I read that
: she had made a comment to the British
: official, foreign secretary or prime
: minister, that if Britain had recognized the
: Salic law then her grandfather would have
: become king of U.K. after William IV rather
: than Queen Victoria.
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: There are quite some footage of the Greek RF
: in the beginning of the 1960s - there were
: quite many important occasions - King Paul’s
: 60th birthday, the Greek RH’s centenary, the
: double royal weddings - and both King Paul
: & Queen Frederika seemed to be on very
: good terms with King Frederik & Queen
: Ingrid. Of course, these are footage of
: public events - one would never see them
: behaving differently.
: However, in private who knows if there were
: some tensions?
: It seemed there were between Frederika &
: Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain during the
: arrangements for Juan Carlos & Sofia’s
: wedding so...
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: That’s curious, at least to me, to learn
: Princess Sybilla defended a more liberal
: view on politics/monarchy, etc. Coming from
: a German former reigning RF (and I thought
: the Swedish RF was quite conservative before
: Carl XVI Gustaf ascended the throne) I
: always thought she was a staunch defender of
: a rigid concept of monarchy where duty
: always come first (and that included
: marriage).
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: Yes, thanks for the insight on Swedish royal
: court and Queen Frederika. I seem to recall
: Frederika organized a cruise for mostly
: young royals to meet, i.e., matchmaking. The
: only match, according to some accounts, the
: royal cruise seemed to have produced were
: the eventual engagement of the Spanish royal
: heir, Prince Juan Carlos, to Frederika's
: daughter, Princess Sofia.
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: Frederika and the Greek royal court had a
: different approach to their country's
: democratic principles, as you pointed out,
: than the Swedish or many of the other royal
: courts in Europe. Perhaps if Frederika had
: not meddled in Greek politics then the Greek
: throne may not be empty today. However,
: Constatine can take some of the blame
: himself but I think he listened to his
: mother's, apparently, bad advice.
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: I don´t know about the danish royal house
: but
: there was some tension between Frederika and
: various swedish royals. Stig H.son Ericson,
: marshal of the realm (highest courtier in
: Sweden) wrote his memoirs in the early
: seventies. He mentions that both king Gustaf
: VI Adolf (maternal grandfather of Anne
: Marie) and princess Sibylla had difficulties
: with the greek queen. Different ideas of
: politics/monarchy/democracy and in the case
: of Sibylla; suitable marriage partners.
: Princess Sibylla made clear that marriages
: cant be decided against the wishes of the
: children. I think we all know that Frederika
: was a royal matchmaker.
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: I'm fascinated with Queen Frederika.
: Moreover,
: does anyone know her relationship and her
: husband's with her son's in-laws? Was there
: any relationship at all. Anyway, I recall
: seeing a video of the queen and she was
: being escorted by King Frederik IX. Me
: thinks this was a pre-wedding banquet. I
: recall her son, Constantine, said that
: Frederik locked him in the bathroom after
: informing him of his engagement to his
: daughter, Anne-Marie. So, I suppose, owing
: to Frederika's known meddling in Greek
: politics whether the Danish royal family
: kept a distance from Frederika, so to speak.
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