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Surprisingly enough Juliana and Paul of Greece met and got on well together but George II of Greece needed Paul as his heir otherwise Frederika would not have become queen. Had Juliana's older brother lived it would have been Juliana who would have become queen of Greece.
: Gustaf VI Adolf was very pro british in his
: sympathies. Both his wifes were british so I
: guess that made him lean towards Britain
: instead of sympaties for Germany (german
: born mother and germa oriented father). I
: would say that GVIA was a democrat but an
: aristocratic one. The swedish royal family
: was quite divided at times, especially at
: WW2. Prince Eugen and prince Carl and
: princess Ingeborg also being sympathetic of
: the allied countries.
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: Regarding prince Bertil, there were rumours
: (or gossip by the press) that Bertil was
: encouraged to court princess Margaret but I
: think it is just gossip (1950.ies). Bertil
: as well as Sigvard and Lennart wre all
: considered suitable consorts of princess
: Juliana.
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: Your last point about the Swedish royal
: family being conservative is interesting.
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: There is conservative and conservative.
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: Both King Gustav V and his grandson Gustav
: Adolf (the present king's father) were often
: portrayed as Nazi sympathetic.
: Gustav Adolf's wife, Pss Syubilla, was the
: daughter of a high-rank nazi officer.
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: Maybe our swedish posters can enlighten
: about G-A VI standing on the subject.
: He was considered a rather popular king that
: reinforced the monarchical idea and who
: could oppose the growth of the republican
: ideas that were progressing in Sweden.
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: Did he share the Nazi sympathies of his
: father and son ?
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: Of course G-A was extremely conservative on
: family matters and equal marriages, having
: casted away from succession his sons who
: made unequal marriages and forcing poor
: Pr.Bertil to wait a life long as the spare
: to the throne, before he could marry his
: beloved Lilian, after his nephew became the
: king.
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: Were there any pressions from G-A VI for
: Bertil to marry any royal bride ?
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: I
: seem to think that you are correct b/c C XVI
: G waited until after his grandfather, G VI
: A, had passed to be engaged to a non-royal,
: Silvia Somerlath. My understanding is that
: the old king was stringent about his male
: heirs choice of suitable, preferably royal,
: mates.
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: Furthermore, José made a reference to
: Frederika's daughter marrying a prince of a
: non-reigning house but it is, a bit sad,
: ironic that the Greek royal house would no
: longer reign in a relatively short amount of
: time. In addition, Frederika seemed to have
: a bit of perhaps arrogance or haughtiness in
: regards to other royal houses. I read that
: she had made a comment to the British
: official, foreign secretary or prime
: minister, that if Britain had recognized the
: Salic law then her grandfather would have
: become king of U.K. after William IV rather
: than Queen Victoria.
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: There are quite some footage of the Greek RF
: in the beginning of the 1960s - there were
: quite many important occasions - King Paul’s
: 60th birthday, the Greek RH’s centenary, the
: double royal weddings - and both King Paul
: & Queen Frederika seemed to be on very
: good terms with King Frederik & Queen
: Ingrid. Of course, these are footage of
: public events - one would never see them
: behaving differently.
: However, in private who knows if there were
: some tensions?
: It seemed there were between Frederika &
: Queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain during the
: arrangements for Juan Carlos & Sofia’s
: wedding so...
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: That’s curious, at least to me, to learn
: Princess Sybilla defended a more liberal
: view on politics/monarchy, etc. Coming from
: a German former reigning RF (and I thought
: the Swedish RF was quite conservative before
: Carl XVI Gustaf ascended the throne) I
: always thought she was a staunch defender of
: a rigid concept of monarchy where duty
: always come first (and that included
: marriage).
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: Yes, thanks for the insight on Swedish royal
: court and Queen Frederika. I seem to recall
: Frederika organized a cruise for mostly
: young royals to meet, i.e., matchmaking. The
: only match, according to some accounts, the
: royal cruise seemed to have produced were
: the eventual engagement of the Spanish royal
: heir, Prince Juan Carlos, to Frederika's
: daughter, Princess Sofia.
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: Frederika and the Greek royal court had a
: different approach to their country's
: democratic principles, as you pointed out,
: than the Swedish or many of the other royal
: courts in Europe. Perhaps if Frederika had
: not meddled in Greek politics then the Greek
: throne may not be empty today. However,
: Constatine can take some of the blame
: himself but I think he listened to his
: mother's, apparently, bad advice.
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: I don´t know about the danish royal house
: but
: there was some tension between Frederika and
: various swedish royals. Stig H.son Ericson,
: marshal of the realm (highest courtier in
: Sweden) wrote his memoirs in the early
: seventies. He mentions that both king Gustaf
: VI Adolf (maternal grandfather of Anne
: Marie) and princess Sibylla had difficulties
: with the greek queen. Different ideas of
: politics/monarchy/democracy and in the case
: of Sibylla; suitable marriage partners.
: Princess Sibylla made clear that marriages
: cant be decided against the wishes of the
: children. I think we all know that Frederika
: was a royal matchmaker.
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: I'm fascinated with Queen Frederika.
: Moreover,
: does anyone know her relationship and her
: husband's with her son's in-laws? Was there
: any relationship at all. Anyway, I recall
: seeing a video of the queen and she was
: being escorted by King Frederik IX. Me
: thinks this was a pre-wedding banquet. I
: recall her son, Constantine, said that
: Frederik locked him in the bathroom after
: informing him of his engagement to his
: daughter, Anne-Marie. So, I suppose, owing
: to Frederika's known meddling in Greek
: politics whether the Danish royal family
: kept a distance from Frederika, so to speak.
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