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James McClean.

Posted by Froggy <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Froggy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 7, 2025, 13:29:07

I have just been reading about him punching a Cardiff City fan last Tuesday night. Surely that should be the end of his career. It's been swept under the carpet at Wrectum and the FA. It should be a police matter.💩

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Posted by Nik <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Nik' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 7, 2025, 15:40:44, in reply to "James McClean. "

He said it was self-defence; if true then he's well within his rights to defend himself.

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 7, 2025, 17:22:01, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

Using reasonable force 😁

Re: James McClean.

It appears he threw the first punch according to himself after verbals with 4 Cardiff fans in the players car park, he felt threatened by one of them so got the first punch in, not sure if that counts as self defence

Re: James McClean.

Excuse my use of AI, but this seems to explain it:

"Key Laws and Principles

Section 3(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 allows for the use of reasonable force in the prevention of crime.

Section 76 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 clarifies that the reasonableness of force is judged based on the circumstances as the person believed them to be, even if mistaken (unless due to voluntary intoxication). It also acknowledges that someone acting for a legitimate purpose may not be able to precisely measure the necessary action.

Common Law supports the right to a pre-emptive strike, meaning you don't have to wait to be physically attacked. This was confirmed in the case of Beckford v The Queen (1988), which stated that circumstances can justify a pre-emptive strike. "

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 8, 2025, 9:41:16, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

Looks like one man’s word against another then as to what the fan said/did, but knowing McLeans history I know who I would tend to believe

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Posted by Nik <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Nik' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 8, 2025, 12:58:39, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

What history would make you disbelieve his account over another?

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 10, 2025, 20:15:48, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

Involved with a county fan last year, it appears he doesn’t quite know how to handle the abuse that plenty of other players manage, irrelevant that a county fan may have been aggressive towards him, that happens but there are people around to take care of that, he appears to want to solve it himself

Re: James McClean.

Posted by Nik <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Nik' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 11, 2025, 9:11:47, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

So an incident that was self-defence has convinced you that this latest incident isn't self-defence?

Doesn't really make sense, that.

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 11, 2025, 18:57:17, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

You appear to be convinced that his previous tête-à-tête was self defence, I didn’t see it as that, he wasn’t touched and was surrounded by people who could protect him if he was. I am not so convinced but what I see are 2 incidents within a few months involving the same player, as he is the only common denominator in the two incidents it gives me an indication of the players mindset, add to that, that he does tend to court controversy and I make a judgment based on that. Quite a normal way to think would you not say

Re: James McClean.

I saw it, the County fan thrusted his arm at McClean into the tunnel area and got a punch back; it was self-defence, whether it was McClean who threw the punch or not (which it almost certainly was but I couldn't see).

Smart-arse pedant

Re: James McClean.

Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 11, 2025, 22:01:26, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

With security around him he doesn’t need to punch back, as it missed him he just needs to get clear of the trouble, which is what a sensible person does

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But that doesn't stop either incident being self-defence.

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 12, 2025, 19:18:18, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

Stand up in court and say I thought he was going to hit me so I attacked him and see what happens If you have security people close by then the threat isn’t considered immediate.

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Posted by Nik <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Nik' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 12, 2025, 20:12:05, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

Now you're conflating two different incidents.

Yes, there were security blokes near the tunnel at our game, but that County fan lunged at him first; McClean doesn't need to have concerns that he may be attacked when someone is openly trying to.

With the Cardiff incident, he was getting out of his car and was approached by their fans; there was nothing to suggest there was security with McClean at the time.

You've not presented any evidence or argument from the incident at our game that would give any reason to disbelieve McClean's claim of self-defence in the Cardiff incident.

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 13, 2025, 22:37:39, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

So, do you condone meeting violence with violence

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Posted by Nik <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Nik' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 14, 2025, 5:46:08, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

You're clutching at straws now, aren't you.

You said you wouldn't believe McClean used self-defence when confronted by Cardiff fans, given his history, yet the only example you've given was an incident when he used self-defence.

Smart-arse pedant

Re: James McClean.

Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 14, 2025, 16:39:58, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

No Nik, I am querying what you consider acceptable self defence, the law itself is ambiguous as it is open to varying answers dependant on what one considers reasonable and immediate

Re: James McClean.

Doesn't matter what I consider self-defence; I provided you with the law's thoughts on the matter and James McClean hasn't been accused of any crime by the Police for either incident.

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 14, 2025, 21:40:03, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

The laws thoughts are reasonable force and immediate danger, nothing specific, I would argue that the incident with the county fan he was in no immediate danger and that to throw a punch back was unnecessary force due to the amount of security around him. We haven’t seen the second one so it’s hard to judge

Re: James McClean.

If that's the case, why did the Police not take action against him?

Plenty of cameras around the ground that will have caught the incident as well as plenty of witnesses.

Smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mreckless' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 15, 2025, 11:23:11, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

I’m only going on the law, just because a case isn’t brought doesn’t mean the incident didn’t happen, maybe the fan involved didn’t want to press charges, maybe they considered it handbags at 5 paces. It’s irrelevant as in my opinion the 2 incidents indicates to me that McLean has an anger problems , can’t find another player that has had 2 incidents with fans within a few months of each other, and they all take stick. Simple answer for Mr McLean is dont get involved

Re: James McClean.

Posted by DownUnderHatter <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=DownUnderHatter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 14, 2025, 14:00:28, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

I've got nuance, straw man and doubling down on my Bingo card so this is going terribly for me. 🤣

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Posted by Fuzzbox <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Fuzzbox' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 7, 2025, 17:51:12, in reply to "Re: James McClean. "

So similar to the half time incident then?

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Re: James McClean.

That's not what happened in that scenario; the County fan thrust his arm at McClean first.

Smart-arse pedant

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