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Long hard season

Posted by Bungle User icon on August 30, 2025, 17:09:46

That was utter garbage can't see stott putting up with these performances. That's as bad as I've seen for a very long time lucky to come away with a point.

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Posted by Nik User icon on August 30, 2025, 18:03:41, in reply to "Long hard season "

We simply cannot keep sitting back and inviting the other teams to come and take our lead from us; 7 games in and we've already done it several times.

Absolutely no urgency either in stoppage time, strolling to get the ball back like we're happy to take a point from a winning position at half time.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

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Posted by Bungle User icon on August 30, 2025, 21:49:52, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

What ever he's saying to them at half time,clearly isn't working,and his subs are baffling at time's.

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Posted by Nik User icon on August 30, 2025, 21:57:52, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Agree on the subs; he complains that the players are showing zero ambition to win the game but then he takes off our wide players and leaves Wootton and Andrésson isolated up top without any outlet to get out of defence.

Three CMs who all just want to recycle the ball and keep possession but aren't and a defence sitting deep, just inviting Wigan to attack us. They equalise and we respond by bringing on two defenders. Even at the end, Addai and Olowu both on more than one occasion took an eternity to get the ball back in play in stoppage time rather than pushing for a winner.

We can't sit on leads and it's daft that we continue to try and do it.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

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Posted by SLomas User icon on August 31, 2025, 7:01:41, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

There really wasnt much on the bench in terms of impact subs its one problems if Fevs, Mothersille and Diamond all start

We needed have game won from the starting XI more infuriating why we didnt press on after the early goal

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Posted by Peak Park Pete User icon on August 30, 2025, 17:42:44, in reply to "Long hard season "

We played well first half, but they had obviously seen our vulnerabilities against Bradford and they stepped it up 2nd half. We were poor in the 2nd half and could easily have come away with nothing. Slight rally at the end.
Not sure about Mothersille. He brought nothing to the game and was subbed early. Fevrier. Moxon and Hills tired badly in the 2nd half. Fiorini continues to show he is nothing special.

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Posted by Lunesdale Hatter User icon on August 30, 2025, 17:41:17, in reply to "Long hard season "

To be fair, the first half was not garbage and whilst we lost the impetus in 2nd half (and we got run ragged), it is still a point away from home against a strong team.
I feel it is more frustrating that we are not edging further ahead when dominating, but this will come as we have a quality squad and a decent manager and a good training set up.
It is a solid start...which I am thankful for.

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Posted by As a coot User icon on August 30, 2025, 17:16:13, in reply to "Long hard season "

Not saying it wasnt good.. as did not see it (on hols). But 4 points from second and not playing well..?? Very odd comment imo. And you said it twice

Planty

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Posted by Matty ov Rio User icon on August 30, 2025, 17:41:53, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

It wasn’t good and I don’t think there was anyone there who wasn’t expecting them to score second half. Oh so predictable.

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Posted by As a coot User icon on August 30, 2025, 17:43:54, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

But matty.. even though been poor.. Happy with pints tally _ with that being the case? We know a good run will happen

Planty

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Posted by Matty ov Rio User icon on August 30, 2025, 20:49:50, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Pints tally was great today but we only got one point!🍺🍺🍺⚽️⚽️⚽️🤣💥

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Re: Long hard season

Posted by As a coot User icon on August 31, 2025, 8:59:43, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Planty

Re: Long hard season

Posted by dosser jacket User icon on August 30, 2025, 18:59:58, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Wasn't happy with my pints tally, only had three

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Posted by MR MOJO RISIN User icon on August 30, 2025, 19:11:54, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

You had 3 talking to me and I left you at 2 o clock.

There Is a Light That Never Goes Out.

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Posted by Marlborohatter User icon on August 30, 2025, 21:01:52, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Well DC doesn't think good.. not for the first time..and from the min we took the Leed after 3m so whatever he said at half time didn't work cos I thought we were much worse second half..he touched on him taking bit of resp I think but then as I heard it criticised the team again..

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on August 31, 2025, 12:33:29, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

1 point off the gaffers 2 points a game target.4 points off an automatic promotion spot whilst losing important players to injury and blooding in new players in !! Lets sack our unsuccessful gaffer shall we Bungle !!!!

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Posted by Bungle User icon on August 31, 2025, 15:48:23, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

You could always start a thread about what you thought about yesterday's game,I take it you was at wigan

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on August 31, 2025, 23:30:00, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Nope wasn't at Wigan. But I was at the Crawley game 2 Sept 20 23 when we had 5 points from our first 6 games, were you sacking him then as well ?

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Posted by Bungle User icon on September 1, 2025, 0:40:29, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

When have I said about sacking him,but on your day out at Crawley how many millions did we spend on player's that season.

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on September 1, 2025, 10:58:42, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

You haven't actually said that ,but every true County fan knows what you meant without actually putting it into to English. As for transfer spend ,nobody knows, County's transfer spend for the 2023/24 season is not publicly listed as a single figure on any sites like Transfermarkt, which focus on individual transactions and market values rather than overall club expenditure. However, the club made several loan signings and loan departures, including bringing in Brad Hills and Sam Cosgrove on loan from Norwich City and Barnsley respectively, and signing Owen Moxon permanently from Portsmouth. There were no major incoming permanent transfer fees, and the club focused more on players whose contracts had ended or were on loan from other clubs, which finished up with the club having a Group operating loss of £7.0m. What true County fans do know tho ,is the fact that we actually played away at Crawley in March 24 and not the home game that I mentioned in Sept 23 .

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Posted by Bungle User icon on September 1, 2025, 13:42:04, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

What the hell has 23/24 season got to do with the money we have spent this season,and what is a true fan.
Obviously you haven't been recently,and heard what other's have said about why can't keep a lead.

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:17:31, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Are you losing the plot ?I quote , "but on your day out at Crawley how many millions did we spend on player's that season." You asked the question so I gave you the answer. And now in your fantasy world ,I haven't been recently ??? I have actually but we also do have fans who watch games on the box. Are their views not important ? I wonder how many of them after a few games think that Stott won't be happy with the Gaffer ?

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Posted by Bungle User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:33:31, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Ask gannon that one

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:53:37, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Oh right. Is that the Gannon who was dumped when we were two divisions below where we are now and if remember rightly did'nt the board claim that "the decision was not results based but was centred around culture". Where is he managing nowadays ???

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 1, 2025, 13:50:42, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Saturday's game was the first I've seen this season.

Why can't we keep a lead?

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Posted by Bungle User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:12:16, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Well I'd say,we keep sitting back trying to hold onto the lead inviting more pressure,and poor substitutions,we seem to do it every game

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:29:32, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Is that the team thats had its best start to the season since 20/21 ?? Stott must be rapidly losing patience !!!

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Posted by mreckless User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:21:59, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

The subs last week won us the game

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Posted by Bungle User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:35:17, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

What about Saturday,Bradford,Orient

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Posted by mreckless User icon on September 1, 2025, 19:51:23, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

More importantly what about his win ratio, 2nd highest in Countys history, only just behind the record set in 1921 . Enough said

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:18:33, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

What would you have done different on Saturday?

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Posted by Bungle User icon on September 1, 2025, 14:39:16, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Well being 1 up,i wouldn't of taken fevrier,diamond and mothersille off and replaced them with 2 defences player's and the iceman,who was supposed to play the ball into the front 2

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 1, 2025, 15:07:56, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

To be fair to Challinor, (who doesn't have the benefit of hindsight) taking Mothersille off after an hour made sense, we weren't as dominant as the first half and he was quite ineffective.

As that wasn't working the next two changes made sense as well. Andresson almost made it 2-0. If that had gone in the substitutions would've been deemed a masterstroke.

Unfortunately it didn't and we all know what happened next.

Fine margins this football lark.

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on September 1, 2025, 15:01:53, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Really ? You just get better and better ! So in the game you watched the Iceman was supposed to play the ball into the front two ? Who was it exactly that made up the front two with Woots ?

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 1, 2025, 15:03:22, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

I think you've misunderstood due to the lack of a question mark at the end of Bungle's sentence. He's asking who is supposed to play the ball into the front two of Wootton and Andrésson.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

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Posted by kevintheking User icon on September 1, 2025, 15:32:52, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Yep,see that. But totally agree with what the gaffer did, he went for some sort of reward as successful teams do ,scraping 1-0 wins and 0-0,1-1 draws, even then ,when he'd clearly settled for a 1-0 win or a point we still created a good chance for the Iceman whilst under the cosh.

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 1, 2025, 17:46:21, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

I could see why he made the changes he did, but they were the wrong call, for me. Particularly subbing Fevrier and Diamond for O'Keeffe and Andrésson.

Bringing Fiorini on for Mothersille wasn't too bad, but it took an outlet away and brought in another CM who just turns the ball over. Then to take Diamond and Fevrier off too for O'Keeffe and Andrésson, it left us with no outlet from midfield, as there was nobody there to drive forward and bring Wootton and Andrésson into the game.

Then bringing on two defenders when Wigan equalise just shows the same lack of ambition to win the game that he complained about his players lacking.

That's the fourth time this season we've come away from a game where we've tried and failed to hold a lead for the majority of the second half. Challinor has said he isn't telling them to do that, but his substitutions can sometimes say otherwise.

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Re: Long hard season

Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 12:36:24, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Double post.

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 12:36:23, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Wrong place.

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 6:15:52, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

If Andresson had made it 2-0, would it have been the right call?

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 7:40:28, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

If Wootton scores two minutes before the change, then the change to bring Andrésson on might not get made.

There’s no point hypothesising over things that didn’t happen when we all saw what did.

Wootton and Andrésson are left working off scraps as there’s nothing left on the pitch to drive the ball forward as they’ve all been subbed off and then when they inevitably equalise, we bring on two defenders.

That shows a lack of ambition to win the game to me; the same complaint Challinor made towards his players.

The performances in 4 out of 6 league games have followed the same pattern.

We were 2-0 up against Wycombe and sat back and it nearly cost us the win.

We were 2-0 up (and should have been 3/4 up) against Orient and sat back and it did cost us the win.

We had a great half and had plenty of chances against Bradford to go in more than 1-0 up at HT, then sat back in the second half and it cost us.

Had Andrésson scored that last second chance against Bradford, it wouldn’t have changed the performance that saw us yet again invite the opposition onto us in the second half.

It’s concerning that we’re repeating the same thing, despite Challinor identifying it as an issue.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

Re: Long hard season

Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 8:06:54, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

No credit given to the opposing team or manager?

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 8:19:41, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

If 4 out of 6 teams take advantage of us in the same way, that says more about the way we played than the way the opposition played.

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 8:36:55, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Would that be unbeaten Bradford, the team that have already won from a goal behind twice this season?

Leyton Orient, a team that beat Wigan 2-0?

Wigan, a team that have only lost to Leyton Orient and Luton?

Wycombe don't count as we beat them and the pattern of our game against them is exactly the same as Bradford's.

I think we've played 4/5 teams that will be in or around the play-offs so only losing one is a good start.

Still lots of time to put a decent run together. Don't think it's time to panic just yet.

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 8:52:08, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Their performances against other teams aren’t relevant, as we’re specifically talking about the games against us.

As you said earlier in this thread, Saturday was the first game you’ve watched this season; had you seen more, you’d have seen the pattern that we’re talking about.

Anyone watching that Bradford game could see the defeat coming a mile off when we went in at 1-0 having played our best half of football of the season but not taken the chances we’d had to go in with a bigger lead. Wycombe and Orient were warnings that this would happen and we slipped right back into that same pattern.

Nobody’s panicking (at least I’m not) but given that Challinor himself has raised it more than once in his post-match interviews, there’s clearly an underlying issue that needs sorting out.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

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Posted by mreckless User icon on September 2, 2025, 9:48:48, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Apart from last season we have been notoriously poor starters to the season, it does take time for players to get themselves into what the manager wants, give it time, I have full confidence in somebody who has the second best win ratio in our history, like anybody he will make the odd mistake but he makes far more good ones than bad

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 10:27:15, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Of course I have confidence in Challinor; it's hard not to at this point.

That said, it's fair to also be concerned by us not seemingly addressing the second half issue.

As he says, after this week, we've now got four weeks without a Tuesday game so hopefully we can start working on it more closely and correcting whatever the issue is within the squad that's causing that drop off.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 11:28:38, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Again, no credit given to the opposition. The high press that works so well in nullifying teams in the first half is impossible to keep up for the whole game. It's rare that any team can dominate for 90 minutes. Especially against teams that will be battling it out at the top.

I could list a lot of teams that were leading at half time and didn't go on to win over the last weekend. Did they all sit back? Did City sit back v Brighton? (I really don't know).

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 11:36:48, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

As I said, when the same thing is happening in 4 out of 6 games this season, it's less about the opponent's performance and more about ours.

As I've said to you, if you'd have seen the performances being discussed, you'd understand what I'm saying; without seeing them, you're commenting blindly. It was predictable what was coming against Bradford and Wigan because we're repeatedly doing it.

That's why Wycombe is important to include when having this discussion despite the win; if you look at the scoreline alone then you can you did and not include it, but to me (and others, including Challinor) it was a warning sign.

That warning sign wasn't attended to, as the same thing happened at Orient, then the same thing happened at home to Bradford on the Tuesday.

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Re: Long hard season

Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 11:52:27, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

I'm hearing you.

Were the substitutions against Wycombe negative?

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 11:57:27, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Not particularly, although I've not complained about the subs in any other game than the one on Saturday.

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 12:18:18, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Did you agree with the substitutions against Leyton Orient and Bradford?

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 12:27:10, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Again, not sure why you're pressing me on the substitutions point when I've not commented on them besides Saturday's.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

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Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 12:38:10, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

"That's the fourth time this season we've come away from a game where we've tried and failed to hold a lead for the majority of the second half. Challinor has said he isn't telling them to do that, but his substitutions can sometimes say otherwise."

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 12:47:32, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

"That's the fourth time this season we've come away from a game where we've tried and failed to hold a lead for the majority of the second half."

That is what has happened, yes.

"Challinor has said he isn't telling them to do that"

In his post-match after Orient

"but his substitutions can sometimes say otherwise."

The three separate points he made changes on Saturday.

Nice try though 😘

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Re: Long hard season

Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 12:55:01, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

And you believe him.

Bless.

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 13:00:05, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Did you listen to the Orient post-match?

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

Re: Long hard season

Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 13:05:25, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

No.

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Posted by Nik User icon on September 2, 2025, 13:16:16, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

It shows.

Not-intelligent-enough, smart-arse pedant

Re: Long hard season

Posted by DownUnderHatter User icon on September 2, 2025, 13:30:44, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

👍

Re: Long hard season

Posted by kevintheking User icon on September 1, 2025, 18:35:35, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Not surprised how people see it different, despite having a decent enough game both Fevs and Diamond tired and just couldn't hang onto the ball. Diamond had a 10 minute spell where he continuously picked the wrong option and kept giving the ball away. We got to the stage where we just couldn't keep the ball so rightly in my opinion the gaffer went to a 5-4-1/ 4-5-1 to try to hang on for a point. Be interesting to see how many teams come away from Wigan with a point.

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Posted by Peak Park Pete User icon on September 1, 2025, 18:26:07, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Think it was a combination of Wigan employing a game plan how to beat us. They almost let us have possession in the first half and we didn’t kick on after taking an early lead. I think their plan was to come at us in the second half using their subs. We looked really poor and we were chasing shadows for most of the half.
I agree that the substitutions were baffling but the bench looked quite weak from the off. Diamond looked like the only one with the pace to hit them effectively on the break and I think he should have stayed on to help Woots. But when he got the ball he ran into traffic and was crowded out.
Was glad when the game ended.

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Posted by rreckless User icon on August 31, 2025, 16:40:11, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Why do you seemingly want Challinor sacked?

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Re: Long hard season

Posted by Bungle User icon on August 31, 2025, 17:27:30, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Where have I said that.

Re: Long hard season

Posted by rreckless User icon on August 31, 2025, 17:29:05, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Just how it comes across when you're suggesting Stott won't put up with it for long and then getting antsy when someone points out our points total.

If you don't, fair enough

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Re: Long hard season

Posted by Bungle User icon on August 31, 2025, 17:45:48, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

The fact stott has plowed lots of money into the squad this season,and if anything this squad looks weaker than last season at the minute.

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Posted by rreckless User icon on August 31, 2025, 18:35:45, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

But he also isn't a kneejerk owner. He'll trust Challinor to get it right. Which I'm fairly confident he will

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Re: Long hard season

Posted by As a coot User icon on August 31, 2025, 13:29:01, in reply to "Re: Long hard season "

Planty

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