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Posted by Help on 9/25/2024, 11:31 am

Can someone resend the pullout rule. I have had kids missing for 6 weeks now that are about to be put back in and the JH principal says its my responsibility to catch them up. Need help.

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Posted by Original Old Guy on 9/28/2024, 10:39 pm, in reply to "UIL side by side"

Parents can tell the school that they do not want their child taken out of band. I would think about that option. And you might ask the principal exactly how you are supposed to catch them up. Does he have any curriculum that catches up students with that many being gone for that long? I think parents who have bought an instrument find out that their child is not being thought that subject might be pretty angry. Just sayin’.

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Posted by op on 9/30/2024, 9:41 am, in reply to "Re: UIL side by side"

Principal (she) is unmoving. She just sent word that it was my responsibility to catch them up. Now that I know the TEA UIL rule of pullouts has no teeth. I am just gonna let the chips fall where they may.

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Posted by Yeah... on 9/26/2024, 3:21 pm, in reply to "UIL side by side"

The pullout rule is 100% worthless...no penalties for violating it.

The treaty that Neville Chamberlain signed with "Funny Moustache Guy" prior to WWII carried more weight than the pullout rule does.

Better to just make things work.

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Posted by Me on 9/26/2024, 1:55 pm, in reply to "UIL side by side"

The pullout "rule" has no teeth and no penalties if it's not being followed. Good luck.

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Posted by Mithrandir on 9/26/2024, 1:21 pm, in reply to "UIL side by side"

Were they not in your class, but on your roster? OR were they not on your roster?
If it's the former you might be able to argue the 90% rule.
If it's the latter well they are in your class now. As if they moved in from another school.

Either way here is what you're looking for.
https://www.tmea.org/music-education-in-the-law/
Tread carefully!!!

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Posted by op on 9/27/2024, 10:58 am, in reply to "Re: UIL side by side"

They are in my class. They come in to check in but as soon as they get there, they are pulled out. Now they don't even check in. Last year this started happening after the holidays. My brass class of 30 were further in the book than ever before. They started pulling out kids and sometimes they would go a month before I ever saw them again. There were two weeks that my class of 30 was only 2 kids in class. The other 28 were being pulled out. Before the break we went thru pages 1-26. After the break we went thru page 29. 26 pages before the pullouts and 3 pages after. Now its happening before we even get started. THIS MEANS WAR!!!!

Do you ever feel like you have to play a game. You know the deck is stacked against you and there is no way you will win, but you have to play anyway?

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Posted by Document! on 9/30/2024, 6:27 am, in reply to "Re: UIL side by side"

Document it like no other. Mention the pull out law that way it's documented that you at least warned them about it.

If admin asks you about the band's progress, size, etc then you can pull out those receipts. It's a long and painful waiting game.

I've also heard some schools where the director will have a meeting with the principal over it, but other campus principals will sit in to help mediate and help get that principal to understand the dilemma.

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Posted by Face Palm on 9/30/2024, 7:51 am, in reply to "Re: UIL side by side"

Mention the pull out law that way it's documented that you at least warned them about it.

Mentioning the pull out law is a waste of breath. The law has no teeth to it...no penalty for a school breaking it. You are acting like the law actually does something, and that bad administrators care about it anyway.

Administrators know this. Good administrators who actually care about the kids being in class (any class) have already come up with solutions that work. Bad ones just ignore you, and call you a "malcontent".

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Posted by And... on 9/27/2024, 4:09 pm, in reply to "Re: UIL side by side"

THIS MEANS WAR!!!!

The pullout rule is unenforceable, you will not win.

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