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Palms in my residential development

Posted by Jane Vero Beach FL <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jane+Vero+Beach+FL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/25/2020, 8:25 pm

Some pictures I took in a water color mode.
I could not shoot during the day ... it was heavy rain and just before the sunset and after the rain I was able to take these pictures.. so they are not very bright, sorry.

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Posted by Jane Vero Beach FL <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jane+Vero+Beach+FL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/25/2020, 8:28 pm, in reply to "Palms in my residential development"

Re: Palms in my residential development

Posted by Rob Cookeville Tn <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Rob+Cookeville+Tn' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/25/2020, 8:32 pm, in reply to "Palms in my residential development"

The most tropical region on the mainland of the United States. Amazing

part of the community for 25 years

Rob Cookeville Tn since (2013)
Robz7a Cumberland plateau (2000-2013)
Rob z6b TN (1996-2000)

Re: Palms in my residential development

Posted by Jim Wilmington DE 7a <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+Wilmington+DE+7a' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/26/2020, 2:22 pm, in reply to "Palms in my residential development"

Those Bizzies are off the hook!!

Thanks for sharing.

Jim, Wilmington, DE, 7a
Last 30 Years Avg. Winter Low: 7.50F
Last 20 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.35F
Last 10 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.40F
Favorite Palms: Species: Phoenix Canariensis / Genus: Sabal

Re: Palms in my residential development

Posted by Jim Wilmington DE 7a <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+Wilmington+DE+7a' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/26/2020, 2:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Palms in my residential development"

Rob, not starting an argument, because I really don't know the answer, but what are your thoughts comparing Vero Beach with the McAllen to Brownsville, Texas area?

I know when I see pics from that area, I'm seeing all kinds of amazing plants and trees.

Brownsville's at 26N.

Vero, 27 degrees, 38 minutes.

What Vero has going for it is better isolation from continental winter air masses. I know Texas is susceptible to what they call "northers" in the winter. Do the northers reach as far as Brownsville? Maybe once in awhile.

Jim, Wilmington, DE, 7a
Last 30 Years Avg. Winter Low: 7.50F
Last 20 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.35F
Last 10 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.40F
Favorite Palms: Species: Phoenix Canariensis / Genus: Sabal

Re: Palms in my residential development

Posted by Jane Vero Beach FL <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jane+Vero+Beach+FL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/26/2020, 7:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Palms in my residential development"

Jim, as you might already know, Vero is the point of departure of Gulf Stream from proximity to the East Coast of FL.. It turns North - East towards Northern Europe, therefore winters are amazingly mild.

Re: Palms in my residential development

Posted by Jim Wilmington DE 7a <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+Wilmington+DE+7a' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/27/2020, 1:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Palms in my residential development"

Getting a look at the 2012 USDA Hardiness Zone Map, it seems both Vero and Brownsville are 10a.

That map only tells us what the lowest temperature in any given winter should be. It does not tell us the whole story, of course. But it is a good reference point.

Knowing that the expectation for the coldest cold in a random winter is between 30F and 35F tells us something about the climate of both Vero and Brownsville. Looking at Google street views of Brownsville, one sees Norfolk Island Pine, Royal Palms, and Phoenix Roebelenii. The most common palm there seeming to be Washingtonia Robusta, with Sabals (Palmetto or Mexicana) a close second. I didn't see any coconut palms there, nor did I look down every street. According to the Palmtalk discussion board, coconut palms do grow in Brownsville and South Padre Island. See below.

Jim, Wilmington, DE, 7a
Last 30 Years Avg. Winter Low: 7.50F
Last 20 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.35F
Last 10 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.40F
Favorite Palms: Species: Phoenix Canariensis / Genus: Sabal

Re: Palms in my residential development

Posted by Jane Vero Beach FL <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jane+Vero+Beach+FL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/27/2020, 6:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Palms in my residential development"

We have plenty of Coconut palms too but... in 1989 they all were wiped out by unusual freezes , Heard this at the lecture @ McKee Gardens in Vero.. so not always the influence of Gulf Stream can save you. Lesson learned only by those who experienced that event

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Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/29/2020, 3:27 pm, in reply to "Palms in my residential development"

Nice effect Jane , especially on those Bismarckian .
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

most tropical region

Posted by Rob Cookeville Tn <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Rob+Cookeville+Tn' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/30/2020, 7:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Palms in my residential development"

Hi Jim, Hope all is well in the Mid-Atlantic.
Enjoy reading your posts and saw Tropical Storm Zeta went through your area. Hope all things did well.
My post to Jane,was the most tropical region. You do bring up a strong case of comparison. I was born in San Antonio and went to college at Brownsville right after High School and I'm familiar with the tip of Texas. I graduated college in South Florida at Nova Southeastern University and lived there for 11 years so I'm familiar with SE FL also.
I do remember killing frost and freezes in both locations and maybe the most severe being in the Rio Grande area years ago.
Brownsville is more arid and lacks the rainfall seen in SE FL. This can be helpful in plant survival but according to the link below, Vero Beach seems to squeak past Brownsville every so lightly and considered by some as better. South in the Vero Beach region is Ft.Lauderdale and Miami and it would be a hard task to out do them.

link
https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/?c1=54810768&c2=51274200

part of the community for 25 years

Rob Cookeville Tn since (2013)
Robz7a Cumberland plateau (2000-2013)
Rob z6b TN (1996-2000)

Re: most tropical region

Posted by Jim Wilmington DE 7a <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+Wilmington+DE+7a' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 10/30/2020, 7:37 pm, in reply to "most tropical region"

That website is awesome!

I compared our two towns:
https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/?c1=51077580&c2=54716920

You edge me out by hair.

The Vero/Brownsville comparison has a lot of "comparables." Brownsville looks like hell in summer, but November through March? I'll take it! A good spot for a winter home. And by Brownsville, let's include South Padre Island.

Jim, Wilmington, DE, 7a
Last 30 Years Avg. Winter Low: 7.50F
Last 20 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.35F
Last 10 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.40F
Favorite Palms: Species: Phoenix Canariensis / Genus: Sabal

Re: most tropical region

Posted by Rob Cookeville Tn <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Rob+Cookeville+Tn' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 11/3/2020, 1:02 am, in reply to "Re: most tropical region"

That is a good comparison link and glad you compared our towns. I actually live about 20 minutes NE of Cookeville in the mtns and have always wanted your climate.
but (as George would say) FWIW Vero is a much more desirable place to live in my opinion. If I had to make a choice it would definitely be Vero Beach. Its practically Miami without all the hassle.

part of the community for 25 years

Rob Cookeville Tn since (2013)
Robz7a Cumberland plateau (2000-2013)
Rob z6b TN (1996-2000)

Florida

Posted by Jim Wilmington DE 7a <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+Wilmington+DE+7a' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 11/3/2020, 3:20 pm, in reply to "Re: most tropical region"

My knowledge of Florida dates back to the early 80s when I lived there for a few months. I saw a lot of the state from Cocoa and Orlando, and up to Jacksonville. I lived in St. Augustine. Just in terms of what looked like great places to live, I'll name a couple of towns. Altamonte Springs. That was pretty much the only place I saw with actual hills and rolling topography. The area seemed a bit upscale too. Allandale. Just south of Port Orange. A clean, pretty, neat-looking town. St. Augustine. Very unique due to the Spanish architecture. The people there were quite friendly and easy-going. Keep in mind, though, this was 40 years ago. Things may have changed a lot since.

Allandale & St. Augustine are probably Zone 9a and Altamonte Springs might just squeak into 9b.

Jim, Wilmington, DE, 7a
Last 30 Years Avg. Winter Low: 7.50F
Last 20 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.35F
Last 10 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.40F
Favorite Palms: Species: Phoenix Canariensis / Genus: Sabal

Florida flora

I remember you having lived in St Augustine. Your correct about the inland towns of Altamont Springs and Allandale. The area changes all the time and so does the flora if your talking street views and parks. The last place I lived was south of Kissimmee and I didn't even recognize it years later. As you can imagine even the flora changes and you only see it when its there.

part of the community for 25 years

Rob Cookeville Tn since (2013)
Robz7a Cumberland plateau (2000-2013)
Rob z6b TN (1996-2000)

Re: Palms in my residential development

Posted by Stan Hayward CA <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Stan+Hayward+CA' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 11/15/2020, 2:42 pm, in reply to "Palms in my residential development"

In the land of 60f winters,that power of warm is nice to see. Everything looks greenhouse grown perfect.
Might be 70's the next 2 days here. Then rains..and cool...

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