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Three pictures . Google Chrome worked :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/4/2020, 2:58 pm

I got this tree in Wilmington , NC and I was told that this came from a northern Florida source which I hope is true considering it can get cold there sometimes . This HC Palmetto had such a fat rootball on it that it had to be around 350-400lbs , and took 5 guys to drag it to its hole . It has a lot of green on it which I like and I'll water it well .
It just didn't feel right not having a relatively big Palmetto in the yard . ( My little Tifton Hardy just doesn't have that cool look yet ) :

My Washy is doing well , but I had a relatively cool March , April , and part of May , so it's a little behind normal in green growth . Those damaged fronds will be a skirt as the energy of the plant goes into the newer growth and the older fronds will droop down as you can see they are doing now .
I also stopped watering and fertilizing so it doesn't grow so fast and it'll be easier to protect on the winters that need protection . That is also lessening the frond growth to this point in the season , I'm sure . My Tifton Hardy Palmetto bottom right .
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Thanks for looking . I'm glad the drama with posting pictures is over .
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F 16F(2022)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.4F ; 30 Year 12.3F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :

Posted by Stan Hayward CA <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Stan+Hayward+CA' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/5/2020, 7:04 pm, in reply to "Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :"

Will,are there any others in your area? Yard,park,commercial property? Somethings I have?..I have to go 450 miles south to see in Los Angeles. I never seem to make it these days!

Speaking of Chrome..why is their wordspell now not right?..its not catching words like before and when it does? When I click to correct,it instead brings up the emoji option without correcting the word.
It was fine until last week when this started to happen.

Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/5/2020, 9:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :"

Stan ,
I don't know much about getting spellcheck to function . Except for posting pictures I stay on Safari for most everything , and my spellcheck is working on Safari .

I don't see many Palmettos around here . Thanks to this board and reading other things on the internet I have a really good system of protecting them . I lost 2 out of 3 Palmettos when I had 8 days below 32F which I don't remember that ever happening here before . Some kind of 100 year weather event . My palmettos had live tissue and recovered in one season after winter lows of 4F and 5F with consecutive lowest winter lows . They just couldn't take day after day without a thaw . I'll remember that if anything looks anywhere near that bad in the future .
I think that in really good microclimates around here they could be long term survivors , and of course I protect most anytime I see below 8F , and or prolonged cold .
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F 16F(2022)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.4F ; 30 Year 12.3F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :

Posted by Jim Wilmington DE 7a <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+Wilmington+DE+7a' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/5/2020, 10:11 pm, in reply to "Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :"

Two items...

Regarding hardiness of different ecotypes/provenances, I can say that I had a Bald Head Island palmetto die on me after 1, maybe two winters in ground here. I've had a Port Orange, Florida palmetto survive from 2007 to present day.

These results were not attended with the strictest scientific controls, however. The Bald Head Island palmetto was planted out in the center of my back yard. The Port Orange palmetto is planted inches away from my home's foundation, south-facing. Even though the palmetto has lived some 13 years or so, some winters it's gotten really lit up! Total defoliations with just the spear showing green. This hard life has stunted the tree's growth trajectory. After this many years, it still has no trunk, nor anything resembling one. It's basically a 3-gallon, costa-palmate Sabal minor in form and habit.

The other subject has to do with slowing/controlling growth rate of Washies.

This is just a hunch, mind you. Grow a Washingtonia in a 5-gallon, STURDY, thick container. Make sure the drainage holes are small and not numerous. Then plant this -- pot and all -- in the ground. Make sure that the lip of the pot is not buried below the soil line. Once the palm becomes rootbound in the pot, growth will slow markedly. Some roots may make their way out of the drainage holes, but these shouldn't matter too much. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that such a Washy will top out at 10 to 15 feet max. You'll still get new fronds, but the plant will be in "replacement mode", not "crazy growth mode." Might contribute to winter hardiness as well.

It's just a hunch.

Jim, Wilmington, DE, 7a
Last 30 Years Avg. Winter Low: 7.50F
Last 20 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.35F
Last 10 Years Avg. Winter Low: 8.40F
Favorite Palms: Species: Phoenix Canariensis / Genus: Sabal

Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome worked :

Posted by Rob Cookeville Tn <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Rob+Cookeville+Tn' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/7/2020, 11:20 am, in reply to "Three pictures . Google Chrome worked :"

wow Love that Palmetto Will.
Congrats on getting a nice one.
I know it will do great under your care.
I thought of you last week driving to Morehead City and my route went through your area. A very nice region of North Carolina to live in.

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Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/8/2020, 8:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome: worked :"

My Tifton Hardy Palmetto did prove it could survive the 8 day below 32F period but it was low to the ground and was possibly helped by the ground's relative warmth . My other Palmettos proved their fronds could handle lows of 4F and 5F because they outgrew some damage to their fronds fully in 2 consecutive seasons with those lowest lows . I don't know if any trunking Palmetto could handle that 8 day below 32F period though .
I'll be ready next time I see anything remotely like that in the future with my new Palmetto .

I'm thinking I'd like maybe a 200 gallon pot for a Washy which would control its size but allow it to get fairly tall .
You always have good ideas
Thanks Jim ,
Will

https://www.amleo.com/200-gallon-container-48x27-12/p/HC200/

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F 16F(2022)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.4F ; 30 Year 12.3F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome worked :

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/8/2020, 8:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome worked :"

Thanks Rob .
I'd love to have more winters like last one and if I did that Palmetto would remain really happy . Protecting it will be easy and I won't forget how prolonged cold is worse than a dip to 4F or so .
You probably went down Interstate 40 to head east I'm guessing .
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F 16F(2022)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.4F ; 30 Year 12.3F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

I 40

Posted by Rob Cookeville Tn <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Rob+Cookeville+Tn' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/8/2020, 9:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Three pictures . Google Chrome worked :"

Will your right, prolonged cold is not to play around with and as bad as a vortex. Old established and mature windmill palms were taken out by prolonged cold here along with a huge bull needle in a neighbors yard, about 6 years ago.
Im trying a Birmingham again and I hope I have as good of luck with it as you have done. I first got one from from Tony Avent a year before he listed them at PDN (1999) and I grew that 4" cup of a palm to 2 feet of fat trunk in 15 years but it was also a victim of that vortex. I didn't own the property at the time of its demise, so it wasn't protected. Like you, I will be ready for prolonged cold should it return.
I live around exit 300 on Tennessee's leg of I-40 at Monterey.
(300 miles to Memphis and 154 miles to the NC line and what a mountainous drive getting to the Piedmont) straight shot to Raleigh though via all the metros in your area. I really like North Carolina, such a diverse and beautiful state.
Thanks Will.

part of this community for 28 years

Rob Cookeville Tn since (2013)
Robz7a Cumberland Plateau (2000-2013)
Rob z6b TN (1996-2000)

Re: I 40

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 6/8/2020, 10:43 pm, in reply to "I 40"

Next time merge left off of I40 towards the downtown route (which was I40 before the new route ) . It merges back with I40 and doesn't take really anymore time . You'd get a better feel for the Winston-Salem area by taking that route through downtown .
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F 16F(2022)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.4F ; 30 Year 12.3F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

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