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Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by jay-mid-md <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=jay-mid-md' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/13/2020, 12:26 pm

Hi. What kind of Agave is this? Is it parryi or ovafolia? The latter should grow in z7A:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/c72/TommyNashville/0/cb44f2be-fe33-4b72-9712-9c2de57b5588-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

I'm looking for a z7A Agave or Spineless Cactus. My prickly pears have fiberglass-like pads that are a real challenge to work around or be too close to. Thanks.

J mid-md z7a

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/13/2020, 3:32 pm, in reply to "Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

I wanted to show you mine Jay . This is my least hardy Agave . That 8 day period below freezing really hurt it three winters ago . I believe it's an Agave protoamericana " blue steel " .

Here's the Ovafolio again . I accidentally double posted :
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This is my Agave salmiana and very hardy and I don't think I've ever had damage on it . It puts out lots of pups too . It's 5 and a half feet tall now :
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Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/13/2020, 3:34 pm, in reply to "Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

Here's my Ovafolia and it seems pretty hardy and never damages much .

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by jay-mid-md <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=jay-mid-md' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/14/2020, 12:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

Thanks. Seeing it twice is better than seeing it once.

White Whale’s Tongue Agave (A. ovafolia) and Agave salmiana are the main ones I'm looking at now. A. salmiana has many different vars. There are a lot of var ferox and Canary Island Giant forms for sale. Do you know which one is yours is?

J mid-md z7a

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/14/2020, 1:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

My Agave is A. salmiana var. ferox " Logan Calhoun " . It can take anything this area has thrown at it and breezes through .
I'm hoping it will flower soon . I should plant a pup so that it gets large for when my big one flowers and dies . It has many pups under those big leaves .
Will

Looks like this one flowered in Raleigh . Looks like mine is getting close to flowering since mine isn't much smaller than that one in Raleigh :
https://jcra.ncsu.edu/resources/photographs/plants-results.php?serial=116662

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by jay-mid-md <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=jay-mid-md' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/14/2020, 9:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

Wow. Do all Agaves die after flowering or just certain varieties? That stalk looks like it is about 10ft tall.

Which do you think is more cold tolerant?: A. salmiana var. ferox "Logan Calhoun" or A. ovafolia

J mid-md z7a

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by Jim in Iowa <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=Jim+in+Iowa' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/15/2020, 2:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

Nice to see those Agave...I don't really have those anymore.

I bet the Ovate is the more hardy of the 2...Americana wouldn't
even be close, cant believe Will's went through 8 days below...
I think 8 days below 32F here and 8 days below 32F there are
very different.

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/15/2020, 6:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

Thanks Jim .
That Ovafolia and Salmiana are nice and hardy .
My Palmettos Shaq and Curly were taken out that 8 day period . Both had little trouble with 4F and 5F for one night in 2014 and 2015 respectively but couldn't handle a couple of 7F's during that 8 day period .
My Tipton Hardy did survive that 8 day period at least .
Will

Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by WSimpson NC <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=WSimpson+NC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/15/2020, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

Jay ,
I think all Agave mother plants die after flowering but the pups become new big plants and there's the seed too that spreads around . They are called century plants because of how long it takes them to flower and once flowering the mother plant is spent of all energy .

There may be some varieties that don't die after flowering but I've never heard of any , but I haven't looked hard to find out either .
Some flower stalks go up 30 feet I've heard .
Will

https://gardeninggonewild.com/uh-oh-my-agaves-blooming/

Here's a 38 footer Jay :
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Winston-Salem
Ten year lows: 19F 20F 5F 4F 15F 7F 8F 14F 19F 16F(2021)
10 Year Average Winter Lowest Low 12.7F ; 30 Year 12.36F
Profession:Trachy Defiberer and Palm Spear Puller (free estimates)

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by jay-mid-md <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=jay-mid-md' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/16/2020, 7:32 am, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

Yah - I don't think Americana would make it here and if so I'm not ready to setup the protection for that.

J mid-md z7a

Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post

Posted by jay-mid-md <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/info/user=jay-mid-md' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/19/2020, 12:30 am, in reply to "Re: Agave question for Tommy from June 13 post"

I typed up a detailed response to this and lost it but here's my second try. Thanks for all the info. I didn't know that they die afterwards. I still wonder if the stalk was thinner before it went through the roof.

I ultimately ordered an Agave parryi var neomexicana x utahensis. The claim is that these have survived many z5 winters. I know some parryi vars have not. I will take my chances. It looks much like your Salmiana which has a nice full healthy appearance.

Also In the same order is a Echinocereus x lloydii cactus. It will take z5. It reminds me of a mini Saguaro.

Both should work in my z7.

J mid-md z7a

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