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Another industrial revolution??

Posted by England Fan <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=England+Fan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:11 pm

I paid a call into my head office today to pick up some bits and the only person from a usual 200+ work force there was the receptionist.
As a consequence the local convenience store and cafe had closed due to lack of customers from the office. I wouldn't be surprised if the bean counters are now looking into why they are paying extortionate rates on office space they have managed to do without using for 4 months. I would guess this scenario is being repeated up and down the Country which may sadly mean many 1000s losing their jobs in the service industries. If we don't get back to being a Country that manufactures instead of buying in then the future is going to be very bleak.

Re: Another industrial revolution??

Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:31 pm, in reply to "Another industrial revolution??"

That manufacturing boat sailed a long time ago England Fan, not just for the UK but for the rest of the "western world economies"

Its possible to enjoy a decent standard of living on £500 a month ,which is a typical doctors salary in say Bangladesh , but in the UK a basic factory manufacturing job for 40 hours even at minimum wage is about £1300+ so manufacturing other than ultra high end performance products is simply not economically viable.

You are right though, every "city" job lost could be 10 or more support/service jobs lost.

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by mattyovrio <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mattyovrio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:15 pm, in reply to "Another industrial revolution??"

We defo need a balanced economy and we don’t have that at the moment. I hope this virus does produce a lockstep change in how things are done. Home working increasing be a step in the right direction IMVHO. Jobs should be redistributed elsewhere and a great chance to invest in green jobs making the housing stock more energy efficient, which will save the poorest in their energy bills and also create a shed load of jobs as soon as the money is made available to do it.

"Don't judge each day by the harvest that you reap but by the seeds that you plant." -

Re: Another industrial revolution??

Posted by Imposter <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Imposter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 1:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

We need a much more major change than an industrial revolution.

We need a complete change. Manufacturing more and more just feeds into an increasingly consumerist capitalist society.

Not good for wider society as it still encourages winners and losers, and there's only so far am economy can grow.

And also not good for the planet either.

We need a complete and utter rethink.

We will not run,
And we will not hide,
No we will not give up,
We will survive!

Re: Another industrial revolution??

Posted by mattyovrio <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mattyovrio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 2:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

I fear a much greater catastrophe will be needed for that to happen, but happen it will as the clock is ticking towards that disaster.

"Don't judge each day by the harvest that you reap but by the seeds that you plant." -

Re: Another industrial revolution??

Posted by scb <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=scb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 2:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

Yep and we have such a huge pool of talent that we should invest in, but we won't

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Posted by mattyovrio <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mattyovrio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 2:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

Agreed

"Don't judge each day by the harvest that you reap but by the seeds that you plant." -

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 2:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

Entrepreneurs , inventors and visionairies will thrive whatever the economic climate.

Its they who generate the businessesjobs and the careers of the future.

IMVHO

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by Imposter <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Imposter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 10:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

But lots of people lose out that way.

Whether poorer people here, or poorer people abroad with economies that aren't winning as much as ours.

Capitalism always leads to haves and have nots.

We will not run,
And we will not hide,
No we will not give up,
We will survive!

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/7/2020, 3:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

Imposter - throughout history there have always been the haves and the have nots and although its an unpleasant reality it is exactly that - a reality.

There have been many attempts throught mans history to make it a more level playing field for all , communism being an example

Communism has occasionally partly succeeded,but ultimately failed.

Communism has only been implemented in very poor, under-developed countries. Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, all these countries had no industry, no infrastructure, poorly educated population. In each of these countries, the communist revolution was bitterly fought for by violence, it wasn't a given that everyone wanted it!

Communist governments took power in under-developed countries which had been devastated by wars and revolutions.

Ultimately, these government failed or changed. But in the meantime, most of these once "backwards" countries have developed themselves into capitalist success . China was a dwarf in 1930, they are a giant now. Russia and other former USSR countries have industrialised and educated themselves and have had a lot of success, although many are failing again. Cuba is the richest island of the Caribbean, except for the tiny bank paradises.

Communism, the leveling of society has resulted always in dictatorshipss who repressed their population ruthlessly and broadly. People in these countries demand change, so in this regard it's a total failure.

The people want capitalism..... dont they ?

Even socialism in the UK has failed to attract enough public support given the last most radical socialist agenda for generations proposed by Jeremy Corbyn at the last election was firmly rejected by the electorate.

IMO the majority of people want middle of the road socialist capitalism domestic policies typically as occured under the Blair Labour government.

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

If people still want say typically Primark products but manufactured in the UK they will need to pay maybe 10 times as much ....I really dont think that will happen do you Matty?

Also if its made here think of the depravation and destitution it would do to the economies of people who currently make them?

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by England Fan <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=England+Fan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 1:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

If the only option is to pay more then that is what people will have to do. Might make them think twice about how often they wear something before they dispose of it, usually when it's still in good condition.
We are all used to getting what we want when we want it and most of it is just want and not need.

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Posted by Lee Marvin <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Lee+Marvin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 5:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

Well said that man!

There's two kinds of people, them goin' somewhere and them goin' nowhere. And that's what's true.

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Posted by mattyovrio <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mattyovrio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 7:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

Will you been down the RV this Saturday? Have they been operating a ‘back door’ service duringmlockdown?

"Don't judge each day by the harvest that you reap but by the seeds that you plant." -

Re: Another industrial revolution??

Posted by Lee Marvin <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Lee+Marvin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/7/2020, 12:09 am, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

Oh yes

Drinks and card games are available in separate areas as you await your turn. The madam insists liquor at the front and poker round the back!

Thanks to Benidorm for that one.

There's two kinds of people, them goin' somewhere and them goin' nowhere. And that's what's true.

Re: Another industrial revolution??

Posted by mattyovrio <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mattyovrio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/7/2020, 7:40 am, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

"Don't judge each day by the harvest that you reap but by the seeds that you plant." -

Re: Another industrial revolution??

Posted by Imposter <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Imposter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 10:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Another industrial revolution??"

'Back door' service - Hello Sailor?

We will not run,
And we will not hide,
No we will not give up,
We will survive!

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