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Should we lower the Pension Age?

Posted by scb <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=scb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 8:10 am

Given that we are likely to see a recession the likes of which we have never seen before should the pension age be lowered?

So many jobs are being lost and apparently it is the young that are adversely affected even though our youngsters are far better educated than for example I and my generation are/were.

Boris wants to pump 5Bn into regeneration, perhaps lower the pension age and we oldies can step aside for better educated younger talent, I am ok with stepping aside growing more vegetables with my extra leisure time.

What's the point of increasing the retirement age when the government will spend far more on social welfare and benefits for the millions who are about to lose their jobs?

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Posted by Alicante 'Atter $<iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Alicante+\'Atter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on 1/7/2020, 12:14 pm, in reply to "Should we lower the Pension Age?"

They raised the Pension age for 1950s born ladies from 60 to 66, literally STEALING £48K from them, my wife included.
I'm, what they call an original Pensioner, on the lower rate, which effectively means, two of us have to live on my Pension of £21 a day.
I have to delve into my meagre savings every day.
There's no way the Government will lower the Pension age, sorry to say for you younger ones on here, you'll probably work until your 70

Alicante 'Atter.

County, Champions elect.

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/7/2020, 11:13 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

or die first.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 1:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Same with my wife Alicante!

I would hate to have to stop "work" at any age unless I was forced to due to say physical inability.

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by TheRealExile <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=TheRealExile' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Yes they did exactly the same to my Mother. A real rip off.

The beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad so I had one more for dessert.

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 1:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Its all due to life expectancy and the need for those working to be able to pay for higher and longer length pension years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_in_Europe

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/7/2020, 11:15 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

there is never a guarentee though how long you are going to last. my mam reached 100 so they would not have been happy with that.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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Posted by mcduff <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=mcduff' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 10:39 am, in reply to "Should we lower the Pension Age?"

You’d need to increase the State Pension then
Currently about the worst as a percentage of average wage.

https://m.facebook.com/British.Armed.Forces.Veterans.Politics.UK/photos/a.972440962776722.1073741830.615259688494853/1907909839229825/?type=3&theater

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Posted by Biggles <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Biggles' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 9:39 am, in reply to "Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Your best ever post, however the govt has worked out ways to avoid paying young people out of work.

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Posted by scb <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=scb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 7:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

You were probably asleep when my really great posts were on show - their were loads!

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Posted by Biggles <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Biggles' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 10:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

I like my sleep but you can tell me all about them when I'm home for a fe weeks.

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Posted by EBBS <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=EBBS' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 9:11 am, in reply to "Should we lower the Pension Age?"

I agree. Think the increase in the pension age, especially for women has been very unfair, and as you say makes little sense now. Their whinging about affordability given the billions they are currently finding doesn't wash now either. There is another factor here in that I was happily retired and living on a couple of pensions, one of which is cash based (defined contribution), from which I've lost close to 20k since the turn of the year. I'm fortunate in that the other pays me a regular amount. However I still have 5 years until I can draw state pension which means I will have to try and make that up in the coming years which may mean me taking a job temporarily from someone younger.

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Posted by scb <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=scb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 9:27 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

My private pension pot has also taken a bit of beating of late - same as in 2008/9

and I have very little confidence in any government looking after my future but I am not just starting out and it must be a nightmare for young well educated people today to get a job or get on the property ladder

I would sell up and look for somewhere cheaper in France.

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Posted by PhilRobbie <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=PhilRobbie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 10:12 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

My problem is that I’m old and thick with no private pension so that’d be me knackered.
I just hope I snuff it before I retire.
Life wouldn’t be worth living otherwise.

Rare County artefacts for sale at;
jimmymeliabaldwigs(somemayhaveperishedintheshed)@cartierproucts/bobbins.com

A snip at £74.23 per artifact!

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 10:20 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

do not say that. i have only state pension but manage ok. lots of things i cannot do what others do on here but it does not bother me. foreign holidays, city breaks, making a weekend of torquay away are not the end of the world if you cannot do em.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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Posted by PhilRobbie <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=PhilRobbie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

In my case, after my rent/bills/food there wouldn’t be anything left for even the simplest of pleasures so I genuinely wouldn’t want to carry on.
Hopefully I’ll kick the bucket before they kick me out of work.
(8 years time)

Rare County artefacts for sale at;
jimmymeliabaldwigs(somemayhaveperishedintheshed)@cartierproucts/bobbins.com

A snip at £74.23 per artifact!

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Posted by Alicante 'Atter $<iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Alicante+\'Atter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on 1/7/2020, 1:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

No No No, we'll be in the Championship by then

Alicante 'Atter.

County, Champions elect.

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 1:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Bloody hell Phil hat was a depressing post

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by TheRealExile <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=TheRealExile' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

At the minute if you have paid a full stamp you get 175 quid a week, rent and council tax paid as far as I know. Better than nowt, some people don't have that left after rent and council tax. And your match ticket will be cheaper

and don't forget the bus pass

The beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad so I had one more for dessert.

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Posted by EBBS <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=EBBS' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 9:42 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Without Brexit and a young grand child we would already have left.

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 9:17 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

if they did lower the pension age the media will dig out some old duffer working at morrisons at 89 years old who would refuse to retire as he and others want to work as long as they can. not all oldies are like that but never get the air time. i for one had enough of work. did it from leaving school without a break. those who do more manual work are more or less played out and finish on ill health anyway.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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Posted by Roscoe <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Roscoe' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 11:46 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

I used to love my job but a few years ago things changed for the worse with the company losing interest in the sector I headed.
Couldn’t wait to get out and was luckily to be able to do so before my company pension was frozen till I was 65.

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Posted by PhilRobbie <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=PhilRobbie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Can’t say I’ve ever ‘enjoyed’ any job I’ve done...worked all my adult life in low paid scum jobs.

Rare County artefacts for sale at;
jimmymeliabaldwigs(somemayhaveperishedintheshed)@cartierproucts/bobbins.com

A snip at £74.23 per artifact!

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Posted by Dustbowl <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Dustbowl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

I'm with you there Phil. I'm 65, unemployed and having to claim UC instead of being eligible to receive my state pension. Just like Phil I've spent my working "career" from February 1973 in low paid/minimum wage dead end soul destroying jobs. I'm now expected to be actively searching for work instead of enjoying what time I may have left on this earth.
But here's the point - I don't want to work anymore, I'm not in the greatest health (both physical and mental), and I certainly don't want to end up in yet another low paid scum job. Raising the pension age was yet another underhand policy introduced by this government.

There were times when I looked back
And I am haunted by my youth

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/7/2020, 11:22 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

there are far many doing jobs all their lives like you have done. thats the problem in this country. people have to do them but as the years go by they,ll be filled by people screaming and shouting by being forced into them. schools do not help either in giving kids false hopes for the future when they leave. not everyone will be brain surgeons or university fodder.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

when i was younger even in my 40,s all the older guys could only talk about one subject. when i retire blah, blah blah. could never understand it till i got to their age and knew what they were on about. always remember one guy who retired, who was more than a bit of a character, where his wife told the boss at the retirement do for him not under any circumstances ask him to come back part time unless he wanted a sore nose.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

timberwolf - its very sad if that was the case with your colleagues as they have possibly and very sadly wasted their working lives by not doing what they really enjoyed?

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/7/2020, 10:02 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

getting a job that you actually enjoy is one of the hardest things you can do. those who manage it can thank their lucky stars that they managed to do this. over the years its become harder to just get any job and likeing it is a bonus.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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Posted by EBBS <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=EBBS' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 9:24 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Yeah also agree. However I was office based working upto boardroom level and the constant mental stress and pressure takes just as much toll on you. I just couldn't bring myself to go back to that kind of intensity, but I may be the old duffer in Morrisons.

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Posted by MR MOJO RISIN <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=MR+MOJO+RISIN' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 8:15 am, in reply to "Should we lower the Pension Age?"

I’d volunteer for an early retirement, makes sense to me.

There Is a Light That Never Goes Out.

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Posted by PhilRobbie <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=PhilRobbie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 1:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

I’d love to retire early....I’ve done 44 years of cleaning up after folk and I hate it....I was ill for around 9 years but didn’t realise it (until my health recently improved!)
I just felt really old and put it down to my lifestyle so accepted it....nowerdays I’m a hell of a lot fitter but really depressed.
I’d need £1,000 per month to retire....and that’s never gonna happen.

Rare County artefacts for sale at;
jimmymeliabaldwigs(somemayhaveperishedintheshed)@cartierproucts/bobbins.com

A snip at £74.23 per artifact!

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Posted by Alicante 'Atter $<iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Alicante+\'Atter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on 1/7/2020, 1:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Circumstances meant I retired at 56, not through ill health or anything. but it was the best thing I've ever done.
Then I moved over to Spain a year or so later.

Alicante 'Atter.

County, Champions elect.

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Posted by Marion <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=Marion' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 12:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

Retirement dosent mean the end , it means redirection and new opportunities.

..... and the role of coquettish ingenue doesn't suit you. Darije Kalezic July 2020

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Posted by timberwolf <iframe src='https://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/info/user=timberwolf' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/7/2020, 8:38 am, in reply to "Re: Should we lower the Pension Age?"

i did. actually there was a scheme years ago where you could retire early if there was someone unemployed able to do your job. my only fear is once the oldies go will firms use it as another excuse to lower the wage previously offered to employees.

I,m as honest as you can expect a man to be in a world where its going out of style.{raymond chandler}

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