That's right, can't be Ray, I'm talking circa 1988 and Ray looked in his sixties then! I'm sure he told me once that he had opened one of the first Indian restaurants in Manchester but had retired to open his takeaway. He always seemed on his own and used to always be cutting onions up which he'd then put in a dustbin. The food though was immense if a little fiery. Went there most Friday nights between 88 and 94 ish.