I will be visiting the NAMES show, wouldn't miss it. Fortunatly I'm only an hour away in MI. Steve, Dennis and other's new to the chip making hobbies, you should view the magnificant work at these shows as encouragement... don't forget that these guys all started out as beginners too. Dale, I've see your work in years past, it is beautiful. I'll be sure to stop by and say hi this year. Joe Brincat