> do you like the books? Sure, with qualifications. > I am assuming that you are Arabic, or of Arabic descent Yes. : There is a quality in Whittemores writing Maybe the subject of another thread would be to explore in depth that quality, which perhaps from a prosodic standpoint changes from book to book -- these things are not always so inexplicable. *S* Also, I would be interested in knowing more about which Archetypes you refer to -- standard Orientalist Gunga Din type figures (that is to say, classic "Western" archetypes that bear little relation to the actual people living in the region), latter day Zionist low key chest thumping nationalist mythology (Jericho Pokier is particularly imbued with this)... Arab ones (and if so, which ones.... exactly)... or more original ones that Ted simply produced from his imagination (side issue: can these then be described as mythic archetypes -- I'm thinking of Moby Dick here)? I do think a serious, in depth critical treatment of EW's work is needed -- if not sorely so. When someone publishes it, my guess is that Whittemore will eventually be viewed much as Melville is today. Perhaps unbeknownst to most of us is a Ph.D. thesis in the making that is about to do the trick. Ali : Individuals from all over the world have
: that appeals instantaneously to us devotees
: it is as individual and inexplicable as taste
: in literature and music.
: Whittemore in a way deals with archetypes and
: even though real places and real history are
: the background to the action of the novels,
: cities like Jerusalem, Cairo and Damascus are
: at the same time imbued with a sort of
: mystique. I cant see why a person familiar
: with those places, and with the history of
: them, should be any less susceptible to being
: entranced by the books despite their being
: written by a Yalie ex spook.
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: Ali,
: fallen in love with the Whittemore books as
: is evidenced by the contributors to this
: Board. Ones nationality hardly matters, it
: seems, so whether a person of Arabic descent
: would react differently to the books is
: questionable.
: There is a quality in Whittemores writing
: that appeals instantaneously to us devotees
: it is as individual and inexplicable as taste
: in literature and music.
: Whittemore in a way deals with archetypes and
: even though real places and real history are
: the background to the action of the novels,
: cities like Jerusalem, Cairo and Damascus are
: at the same time imbued with a sort of
: mystique. I cant see why a person familiar
: with those places, and with the history of
: them, should be any less susceptible to being
: entranced by the books despite their being
: written by a Yalie ex spook.
: Someone on another message board described
: Whittemore as being unusual - an American
: looking at the Middle East with loving eyes.
: Judging
: by your name, I am assuming that you are
: Arabic, or of Arabic descent.
:
: Anne
:
:
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: Anne,
: I don't think it is possible to do an
: "Arabic take" -- on anything, let
: alone the Quartet, for all the usual reasons.
: My view is that it's something of a strange
: notion (to think) that there is a standard
: "Arab" take on things, especially
: literature. But I'd like to suggest here
: that it may be possible to examine the text
: of Nile Shadows, for example, to determine
: the degree of, say, Orientalist, or, [choose
: your fav post neo modernist litcrit poison
: here], thinking permeating the text in the
: context of his description of Cairo in the
: early 40s. I mean: is this version more
: authentic than Billy Wilder's Allied war
: propaganda flic "5 Graves to
: Cairo", Ondaatje's sensual caricatures
: in "The English Patient", or the
: sections in Pynchon's V that take place in
: the Cairo of that era (I am think here of the
: passages involving the Ezbekieh Gardens, much
: of which appear to have been, um, lifted,
: from some Baedeker). Taking political sides
: on, for example, the question of the post
: nakba subjugation and displacement of the
: Palestinians is not really the heart of it
: for Whittemore (at least I haven't come
: across his empathy to it in his books): :
: let's face it: he was, after all, an ex
: American spook, of white shoe Yalie origin,
: who ended up doing, after coming in from the
: khamaseen (with apologies to Le Carre), the
: usual live cheaply somewhere in the exotic
: (Middle) East and cook up some
: phantasmagorical gum Arabico literary
: concoction, in between sips of uzo, araak,
: & (no doubt) puffs of Lebanese red mixed
: in with his cheroot ceegars. But in his
: particular case, he actually wrote real books
: -- instead of just idly spending his time in
: Crete (it could have been Malta, or anywhere
: else like that for that matter), and
: elsewhere, shacking up with various
: temporary, arty squeezes, living on the cheap
: off his CIA pension, and delivering
: unpublishable riffs and rants disguised as
: novelistic manuscripts. Instead, he produced
: Sinai Tapestry in this manner, which actually
: got published (thanks largerly to a Yalie
: connection), and which I first came across in
: '78. With all of this said, the point of my
: original post, when I sat down to think about
: it in replying to your kind post, gets at to
: whether the Quartet bears more than a
: tangential relationship to its actual subject
: matter, one that resonates as authentic with
: Arabic readers or readers of Arabic descent,
: and if so, what is it? Maybe understanding
: this may have a bearing on developing an
: appreciation for the strengths and weaknesses
: of his work in these books.
: Ali
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: Ali,
: You raise an interesting point. I would also
: like to hear an Arabic take on the novels.
: Whittemore himself, as far as I understand
: his books, didn't take sides and his approach
: to the Middle East was holistic.
: As you have raised this question, what are
: your views?
: I would be most interested in hearing them.
: Anne
:
: --Previous Message--
: Wish there were some of that here -
: particularly by readers of Egyptian, Syrian
: or Palestinian descent. Nile Shadows, for
: example, resonates differently when the
: locale is in one's blood, so to speak,
: however distantly. Just an opinion, of
: course.
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