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Conference Umpires

Posted by Green #15 on April 13, 2022, 2:38 pm

This is the most inconsistent I've see at this high of a level. I'm not saying these guys suck but they just need some guidance or maybe an Oberlag class on the strike zone and positioning to make the correct call . It was absolutely atrocious all weekend long.

Re: Conference Umpires

Posted by Just me on April 13, 2022, 9:50 pm, in reply to "Conference Umpires"

Must have had a strike called on you. Why dont you put a shirt on and work 8-10 games a day then see how CONSISTENT you are after 3 days.

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Posted by Green#15 on April 13, 2022, 11:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

Nope not a single one all weekend. But when you have umpires saying the wind is affecting their zone come on man.. and how hard is it to truly establish 3ft and 10ft not 2ft and 12ft??? I understand the 3ft can be complicated at times but definitely not the 10ft…

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Posted by Just me on April 14, 2022, 12:04 am, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

If it's so easy why aren't you doing it?Show them how it's done. Like I said before put on a shirt and jump behind the plate. Not to mention 20-30 mph wind gusts hitting you in the face. I learned a long time ago you can ask something of someone else that you wouldnt ask of yourself.

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Posted by Correction on April 14, 2022, 6:52 am, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

It’s 3-6 from point of release.

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Posted by lb16 on April 14, 2022, 8:30 am, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

Wrong bro, It's 3' from the ground on release to 10' high.

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Posted by txballer on April 14, 2022, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

seems that people that are criticizing umpires on the pitch height, dont really know what the rule is anyway, based on a few responses here.

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Posted by lol on April 14, 2022, 11:12 am, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

Its 3 from release and 10 height. wow

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Posted by Butch Parnes-umpire on April 14, 2022, 12:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

As I have said over my 54 years of being an ump, it simply amazes me how many players/managers have never read the rule book. once let alone many times.The discussion in some these posts are fundamental rules. The conference umps go to clinics to learn the rules in detail and discuss game occurrences. They are experienced officials. Are the umpires perfect? Absolutely not. But no ball player is perfect either. Fielding errors are made. Balls not hit to the right side of infield to advance the runners. Hitting one over fence when the team has reached their limit., I wholeheartedly agree with some of the posts that state if a player thinks being an umpire is so easy, then register and do some games. I guarantee you will get a whole new perspective.

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Posted by The Anonymous Poster on April 14, 2022, 1:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

It’s been a while since I played in a Conference tournament…but the biggest problem I saw in regards to umpiring was that the local umps had no clue that the Conference had different rules than the C tournament that they had umped the previous week.

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Posted by Butch Parnes-umpire on April 14, 2022, 1:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

I believe that has always been an issue and will continue to be the case until the decision is made to have a staff of some 12 dedicated umpires who only do the Conference. I think that is what DOC was trying to accomplish. Obviously, that would require money and other perks. That will clearly make the conference better.

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Posted by The Anonymous Poster on April 14, 2022, 1:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

Hiring a 12 man traveling crew is an option. Probably not very cost effective though. My suggestion would be to make all the basic rules uniformed. Two sets of pitching rules for local C ball and Conference ball always seemed dumb to me.

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Posted by Butch Parnes-Umpire on April 14, 2022, 2:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

There is much more than just the rules. By having a dedicated crew (yes there will be an additional expense) the 12 umps will work together in all games and there wont be the need the need of local umps who may only do conference caliber ball once a year. Positioning, game control, mechanics, strike zone etc. will be much more uniform and make the conference more of a professional league which I read everyone wants. Doc was on the right path. We had many discussions about his plan.

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Posted by USA Umpire 35+ on April 14, 2022, 2:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

I have been fortunate enough to umpire the highest levels in softball for ASA (USA) in the biggest tournaments. This was in the 90's when USA was relevant at the highest level. It is not easy to do it well at any level, but it is tougher the higher you go. The concentration behind the plate in a Major/Super game is unbelievable.

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Posted by DW on April 14, 2022, 2:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

Last weekend there were 9 fields.Next weekend there are 8.

12 umps isn’t enough.

Has to be a regional thing

For lb16

Posted by Jason on April 14, 2022, 4:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

I assume you are kidding are you really have no idea what you are talking about....

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Posted by Mr.E on April 14, 2022, 5:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Conference Umpires"

Why not have those 12 dedicated conference umpires stay behind the plate while the local guys stay on the field?
8 fields. 12 umpires...4 of them can rotate to allow for breaks.

Re: For lb16

Posted by General on April 14, 2022, 5:24 pm, in reply to "For lb16"

Doc is smiling somewhere now

Re: For lb16

Posted by Indy on April 14, 2022, 6:31 pm, in reply to "For lb16"

Does explain why he doesnt like most umpires strike zone. LOL

Re: For lb16

Posted by Just me on April 14, 2022, 8:55 pm, in reply to "Re: For lb16"

Some players and managers are clueless of the rules. We see it here on this thread. Most conference players wouldnt make it as an Umpire. Most players cant handle having a borderline strike called on them much less being cussed and belittled for 2 hours. If an Umpire makes 2-3 mistakes a game they are cussed and belittled but every ball team in softball makes 3 mistakes every inning. 21 mistakes in 7 innings!!!!

For Jason

Posted by lb16 on April 17, 2022, 1:04 am, in reply to "For lb16"

Why don't you look in a rule book and get back to me.

for Ib16

Posted by ccc on April 18, 2022, 5:35 am, in reply to "For Jason"

B. The pitched ball must arc at least 3 feet after leaving the pitcher’s hand and
before it passes any part of home plate

you mean this rule yea 3 feet from release

Re: for Ib16

Posted by lb16 on April 18, 2022, 10:59 am, in reply to "for Ib16"

ccc, I believe this Jason clown thinks the max height is supposed to be 6' when it is actually 10'.

Re: for Ib16

Posted by Jason on April 18, 2022, 1:41 pm, in reply to "Re: for Ib16"

No clown, you said 3 from ground in your earlier post. It’s 3 from release and 10 from ground. Page 37

Re: for Ib16

Posted by lb16 on April 18, 2022, 9:01 pm, in reply to "Re: for Ib16"

Jason, Yes my wording was incorrect I know it is
3' from release don't know why put ground in probably meant 10' from ground on height. Didn't even notice it until I reread my post based on your response. My bad on the wording error.

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