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Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by DW on January 27, 2021, 2:26 pm

Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Some states have zero Major and Watch list players. Some states have 15 or more.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by SS on January 27, 2021, 2:56 pm, in reply to "Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

It should be based on # of registered teams per state/per class in a given year as to whether that state is eligible to combine with another state for the Challenge Cup.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Ball don’t lie on January 27, 2021, 3:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

No. It’s not a majors only tournament, it’s just the highest level of play. There is no AA, A, or B challenge cup but their are some really good players at those levels that should be allowed to play.

Maybe they should call it a conference challenge cup and not major, so that they would include all conference guys from an area and not try to have 10-12 major level players

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by SuperFriends on January 27, 2021, 3:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Its simple. It should be a state only thing. There were teams there last weekend that finished way higher than some expected. Doesn't matter how many Major players you have. Team Ohio was loaded, and we sucked. Takes away from the concept of this event, but North Carolina basically having a part in 3 times was stupid.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by DW on January 27, 2021, 3:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

On the flip side if its state only and lets say you are Kyle Pearson and you move to Rhode Island. You most likely would never get to play in the Challenge Cup again.

But maybe that is ok although it seems exclusionary.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by TM60+ on January 27, 2021, 3:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Split up a couple huge states..ie... split california in have at Fresno.... Split Texas as needed...then make it IN STATE ONLY.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by dale.. TM60+ on January 27, 2021, 3:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Maybe... if you live in a state with a US census population of less then 5 million you can play for any bordering state team with less then 10 million in that state.

The Challenge Cup is a step in the right direction to move to help grow softball.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by DW on January 27, 2021, 3:35 pm, in reply to "Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

looks like state vs state only is the prevailing choice

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by SuperFriends on January 27, 2021, 3:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Then I guess Kyle Pearson doesn't get to play. I know this was not that big last year so the 3 states touching was just trying to get more teams involved. But not that it has grown, maybe its not for every state or maybe some states can only make a C team. The higher you go the less teams you have, but bending the rules just takes away from the concept of this event. Imagine if Ohio and Kentucky joined. Only one champion, that champion should all be from the same state, just my opinion.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Smaller States on January 27, 2021, 4:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

I don't think there should be any issues with smaller states combining to get more people involved and participate. It is when the system is exploited by states with large populations combining that isn't necessary. States like Ohio, Florida, Cali, NC, etc are always going to be able to field great teams purely based on population.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Rare Cases only on January 27, 2021, 4:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Only in the event of RI or some obscure region with no big softball should it be allowed... NY/PA/NJ and NC/GA are pretty heavily populated and have good softball programs. If you dont have 12-13 major players thats where the A and AA players come in...

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by T.K. on January 27, 2021, 4:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Was Detroit gerrymandered in with NorCal for your team?

Hypocrite

You need to get outta here and stop humiliating yourself.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by TM60+ on January 27, 2021, 5:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Sorry T oral K oward,

Playing under the current rules is not being hypocritical

You need to study more... but good try

But then again... if you really are this hutch guy from Texas... I might be able to understand you not wanting your HUGE state split in two for the Challenge Cup

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by 555 on January 27, 2021, 9:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

No. If a state doesn’t have a certain amount of players for a certain class they either don’t field a team or lower players move up, doesn’t change their rating, to play that level.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by T.K. on January 27, 2021, 9:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

I don't need to study shit.

There's no way a clown touting a regionalized, touching-state system can justify having a shortstop from Detroit (not to mention the 2 guys from the Slurpee line at 7-Eleven) on his NorCal team.

Practice how you played, not how you preach. It makes you the ultimate hypocrite.

That's why you dodge this question and disappear like a fart in the wind when I bring it up.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Ball don’t lie on January 27, 2021, 9:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Sounds like KP should be out recruiting the better players in his area. I’m sure he plays leagues with someone

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Be Cool on January 27, 2021, 10:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

If it was just 1 division and each team had to divide the team up by like 2 or 3 players from each class. Excluding E players this would be kind of fun game on the line and a D player has to hit or you got a stud major player on the bench to pinch hit for him.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Mark Patterson on January 27, 2021, 10:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Call it what it is.....OPEN.
Only players who reside in the state at time of Worlds.
No exceptions/ No excuses.
Once you allow one excuse/reason, it opens up the door for all others.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by T otal Koward... TM60+ on January 28, 2021, 12:19 am, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

run from what?

Legally adding an A player from Detroit to a AA team for the MAJOR WORLD SERIES?

You really are funny

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Kimster on January 28, 2021, 12:35 am, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

DW always drumming up controversy to get more hits to see his ads!

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by DW on January 28, 2021, 7:47 am, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"
Edited by board administrator January 28, 2021, 8:24 am

Posting relevant softball information on a softball site unlike kimster who just posts things that bring down others and posts that never have any actual content.

Whats interesting is I used to post Major softball content and polls when you ran the site. Never heard any complaints then.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Hey TK on January 28, 2021, 10:55 am, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Geez man, I think you best seek some professional help for your Timmy obsession. We get it, now let it lie!

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Player on January 28, 2021, 11:08 am, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

USSSA should dictate which states can combine based on population/usssaparticipation. Don't let the states or directors decide.

In the Major class its not crazy to think that they could already have a list of teams that can play and then it's up to those states to fill in the rosters.

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by Ball don’t lie on January 28, 2021, 11:23 am, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

This would actually be pretty cool. At any time you must have
1 E player
2 D players
3 C players
4 B and up players in the lineup

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by 1 state downside on January 28, 2021, 5:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Florida will win every year

Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?

Posted by T.K. on January 29, 2021, 1:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

So the guy leading the charge for regionalized teams gets to be the exception to the rule? Got it.

Hypocrite.

Combined Teams

Posted by NH Player on January 29, 2021, 1:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Poll: Should Major Challenge Cup teams be able to pick players from multiple states in their region?"

Should only be allowed for certain states/regions. There are more people in North Carolina then there are in states like RI/NH/DE. Teams like Georgia and North Carolina abuse this rule, when it’s made for teams like RI/MA/NH to be formed.

Re: Combined Teams

Posted by T.K. on January 29, 2021, 9:22 pm, in reply to "Combined Teams"

Should a northern California team be able to pick up a SS from Detroit?

Re: Combined Teams

Posted by T otal K lown...TM60+ on January 30, 2021, 12:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Combined Teams"

NO... they should not be able to without that detroit player being automatically put on the elite list

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