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Taking over

Posted by One Nation on November 22, 2020, 9:18 pm

Looks like Cliff is making a big push and Illinois and Wisconsin have all the directors moving. Is this happening elsewhere too?

Re: Taking over

Posted by SB player on November 22, 2020, 9:40 pm, in reply to "Taking over"

I don't know about everywhere, you seem to be a fanboy, but I will say it looks like Cliff has his cronies doing some heavy lifting in Texas, Georgia and other areas...besides having shit on striaght up lockdown in Ohio

Re: Taking over

Posted by Yup on November 23, 2020, 8:39 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

No chance. One nation will be gone in a couple years

Re: Taking over

Posted by Comical on November 23, 2020, 9:02 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Keep talking

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Posted by Just a thought on November 23, 2020, 11:16 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

USA, NSA, ISA, AWS, AFA, GSL...what other organizations am I missing?

I wish them nothing but the best for all, competition is great for everyone - but lets check back in 5-10 years and see where this takeover is...

Re: Taking over

Posted by Cincinnati on November 23, 2020, 11:29 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Cincinnati has almost no one nation. Pretty much all USSSA/GSL, but yes anything north of cincy is one nation.

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Posted by Che on November 23, 2020, 7:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Really do not see 1 nation out of the DFW area. Texas is USSSA country!!

Re: Taking over

Posted by Amway Softball on November 23, 2020, 10:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

If I register a player at $20 how much of that does the state director get? What does the player get for $20?

Re: Taking over

Posted by Wisconsin Player on November 24, 2020, 6:42 am, in reply to "Taking over"

Wisconsin maybe has 5 teams that play sanctioned softball.

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Posted by Ohio guy on November 24, 2020, 7:32 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

You get a shitty bag tag that they don’t use. It’s supposed to take you to your player profile if you scan it but it just goes to their website. And you also get “discounts” that any softball player can beat by going on Facebook or knowing a rep. It’s a shitty deal to get cash flow

Re: Taking over

Posted by Michigan player on November 24, 2020, 11:05 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

One Nation is still growing and when they win this GSL lawsuit shortly they will really take off. Tony D. knows what he is doing!

Re: Taking over

Posted by 555 on November 24, 2020, 1:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

One Nation is building a following in NJ but doesn’t seem to be a battle between them, ASA/USA and USSSA. They’ll even do dual sanctioned events. If it grows the sport it’s all good.

Re: Taking over

Posted by One nation registration on November 24, 2020, 2:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Is it a one time fee of $20 for a player card, or do you have to pay that every year?

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Posted by Ohio guy on November 24, 2020, 3:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Every year. So instead of a team fee they are collecting $300 for a 15 man roster, yearly

Re: Taking over

Posted by Frankie on November 24, 2020, 3:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Every tournament they held last year in Indiana was cancelled.

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Posted by remember on November 24, 2020, 4:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

remember last year when anonymous people on oldscout posted that usssa was going to collect a player fee each year also?

guess they were wrong

Re: Taking over

Posted by Reason on November 24, 2020, 4:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

thats what happens when you put buffoons in charge

Re: Taking over

Posted by Cincy guy on November 24, 2020, 5:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

That's absurd, glad we ran them outta Cincy before they could even get in. They tried to hold tourneys in surrounding areas, but pretty sure they were all cancelled due to no one signing up

Sorry, Guys & Gals But...

Posted by Prognosticator on November 25, 2020, 3:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

IMO, individual registration might be the way they are all going to go eventually. With declining team registration numbers, the added revenue stream is too lucrative for the associations to pass up. Especially after the hit they all likely took in 2020 from COVID.

Re: Taking over

Posted by Fact checker on November 25, 2020, 10:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

There is no one nation there

Re: Taking over

Posted by Yeah on November 27, 2020, 12:32 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

And Cincinnati was also 5 years behind the GSL curve. If you know anything about softball you would understand that GSL and One Nation have the same rules.

One nation is the start league that was founded by the former GSL founder who sold his soul to UTrip.

Re: Taking over

Posted by Pipes on November 27, 2020, 9:02 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Dual sanctioning is not growing a sport. What they have is a website that collects money that doesn’t do bracketing because they are doing that on TourneyMachine. And where does the 15 per player go to? An attorney fund while they sue USSSA and USSSA sues them. Any other questions?

Re: Taking over

Posted by Truth on November 27, 2020, 10:49 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

USSSA made Cliff relevant. GSL is now ran professionally by real directors and not low hanging fruit.

The “Low Hanging Fruit” wanted titles and some of them are just worried about how much money they can pillage from the customers.

Eyes open, mouth shut, just observe the mediocrity. Watching a One Nation video is as bad as watching a Biden Speech: Full of lies and deception. Shoot they even stuff their brackets with fake teams to make y’all think more teams are showing up.

USA & USSSA are the true leaders in softball.

Re: Taking over

Posted by To Yeah.. Cincy guy on November 27, 2020, 11:37 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Yeah everyone knows that but when it comes to one nation in Cincy, I believe it has less to do with the game and more to do with the shady leadership. Not to mention both river city parks are run but the family of the state utrip director and of course MAB is Wegman and Dave Maury (utrip head of officials)

Re: Taking over

Posted by ITK on November 28, 2020, 11:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

You mean the "cult" in Cincy that runs the parks like a rogue business?! Cmon, the shady shit down there is wild.

Also, have you looked into how much TojrneyMachine costs? It's about the most expensive bracketing service out there, so they spent money on a legit bracketing system for 2020 atleast.

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Posted by Piss Off on November 29, 2020, 10:30 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

You are using TourneyMachine because your website doesn’t work.

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Posted by Ohio on November 30, 2020, 1:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

One Nation used TM last year, but they have said in one of their videos that they have spent the last 10+ months developing their own Bracketing and scheduling. I'll be anxious to see it.
Considering no other association besides utrip and One Nation have online Bracketing for every event, I wouldn't say this is any shortcoming of one nation at all.

Re: Taking over

Posted by Wilkins on November 30, 2020, 5:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

One Nation will be very big. They will bring tournaments back to Orlando which is a sponsors dream. They are offering any team that plays one nation events $15 full sub uniforms. Also holding cash prizes for 1st-3rd finishes in big events. They have also went after some good directors and got them. In 5 years one nation’s team list from C-E will be as big or bigger than usssa. Just a business guys perspective. And if you cry about $20 or parking fees. Stop playing and go away.

Re: Taking over

Posted by To Wilks on November 30, 2020, 7:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Can you explain the $20 player fee and why it exists and what it is going towards? $20 may not seem like a lot of money to someone like you, and it isn't overall, but it just seems shady for lack of a better word when no one does this

Re: Taking over

Posted by Wilkins on November 30, 2020, 9:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

It’s to pay someone to keep up with stats and a new comprehensive website from what I’ve heard. I know they spent over 300k to develop the site and bracket system. It’s supposed to bring a site for the c-E like the conference guys have. As you can imagine it will have hiccups and struggles when you’re trying to do that for 5,000 players. But besides that it puts money in the company’s pocket to secure things before the season starts. It cost lots of money to reserve fields and hold spots. Example Disney will cost a ton if they decide to go back there for worlds. Just think about the balls they have to have made before the season ever starts. $20 is not a lot of money. We as players drink 4-8 beers during a tournament. Buy 20-40 cc’s of test lol, buy 2-3 $200 bats, 4-6 hats/shirts etc... I imagine the avg softball player will spend 1k a year in equipment and things. And to the guy above you can’t get a $15 jersey anywhere.

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Posted by Call it on December 1, 2020, 5:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Send me $20 for 15 guys on a team then hot shot. Hey I don’t care about your attorney fund in lawsuits with USSSA and we shouldn’t have to fund it or your website that doesn’t work.

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Posted by Truth on December 1, 2020, 5:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

There are a lot of $15 jersey guys on FB these days, all using the same 3 or 4 people out of Taiwan or Pakistan

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Posted by Wilkins on December 2, 2020, 3:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Show me one!!

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Posted by Truth on December 2, 2020, 5:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Just in Chicagoland

SKS, Snatched Sports, and Inferno Sports have all been offering a $15 full sub jersey for teams

Going outside Chicagoland

Dark Horse Apparel, Seminole Threads, and ESS Uniforms have all been throwing ads up promoting they offer $15 full sub on a team package

Not to mention the amount of Pakistan guys coming into the market right now at 10-15/jersey, and even a few guys out of Taiwan right now offering the same pricing.

The only thing that Apparel people in the US can hope on is getting exclusive deals with sanctions, like SKS did with USSSA Illinois and is doing with One Nation Illinois. Also like Dark Horse Apparel did with Freedom in Florida.

Personally I have a guy in Chicago that has done my men's and coed team jerseys the past 6 years, the price is higher then some, but easier to deal with the people and quality that you know.

Re: Taking over

Posted by To truth on December 3, 2020, 9:17 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Wrong I manufacture for 1/2 of those companies. I know what they buy it for. They are not doing $15 full dyes across the board. Maybe a special for 1-5 teams but not a flat cost for every team. Put your name and we can debate this openly.

Re: Taking over

Posted by To truth on December 3, 2020, 9:20 am, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Wrong I manufacture for 1/2 of those companies. I know what they buy it for. They are not doing $15 full dyes across the board. Maybe a special for 1-5 teams but not a flat rate for every team .

Re: Taking over

Posted by DBros on December 3, 2020, 5:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

What doesn't work with their website?

Re: Taking over

Posted by IDK6731770 on December 4, 2020, 7:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

State director get $6

Cliffy gets $6

Players get $0 Nothing

Re: Taking over

Posted by Karma on December 5, 2020, 4:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Taking over"

Just noticed Cliffy raised the fee to $21, he is now passing along the CC fees to us players. Just have to laugh.

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