PEDS have been around since the 60's (check olympics) players in the 80's were on PEDS not as many but yes. the only difference from the players pre 2000 to post 2000 is that the pre 2000's players couldn't figure or didn't want to diet while on the juice so they looked big,bulky and fat. post 2000's players said screw this i want to look good while roaming the field lets see how this body building type diet works...