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Tie breaker not used?

Posted by Are A 4A on 11/5/2024, 9:30 pm

Any idea why the tie breaker was not used in area A to determine state advancement?

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by WW Guy on 11/6/2024, 2:32 pm, in reply to "Tie breaker not used?"

From the UIL "Marching Band Advancement and Ranking Procedures"

"Advancement from Area Contest to the State Contest

3. In addition, in area contests advancing two bands, any band that receives a ranking of two or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest. In contests advancing three or more bands, any band that receives a ranking of three or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest."

Pecos recieved a 1st place and a 3rd place from Music judges and a 3rd place from a visual judge earning them a legitimate bid to State as the 4th Band in an Area that normally would only advance 3

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by Um on 11/7/2024, 7:21 am, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

Shouldn’t the Director at Pecos be the one asking about this? And if that’s you, why aren’t you asking your region chair, area chair, or someone at the state office?

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by Here on 11/6/2024, 1:47 pm, in reply to "Tie breaker not used?"

in area contests advancing two bands, any band that receives a ranking of two or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest. In contests advancing three or more bands, any band that receives a ranking of three or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest.

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by Looked It Up on 11/6/2024, 12:58 pm, in reply to "Tie breaker not used?"

Ahhh, okay, so this falls under one of the "bad judge" rules.

The 4th place band had 2 ranks in music and 1 rank in marching that had them in 3rd place or above, thus they automatically qualified for advancement.
What's interesting here is that all 4 qualifying bands would have advanced under this rule, regardless of the other rankings.

https://www.uiltexas.org/music/marching-band/marching-band-scoring-and-advancement-procedure

Advancement from Area Contest to State Contest

3. In addition, in area contests advancing two bands, any band that receives a ranking of two or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest. In contests advancing three or more bands, any band that receives a ranking of three or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest.

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by Looked It Up on 11/6/2024, 9:50 am, in reply to "Tie breaker not used?"

There was no tie to determine advancement to state.

4th place had 16 rank points
5th place had 27 rank points

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by Me on 11/6/2024, 11:49 am, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

There was a tie between 3rd and 4th. They were supposed to send 3 not 4 to state. Tie break should have been used. If there is a reason not to, cool, but transparency in why rules weren’t followed would be appreciate.

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Posted by Britt on 11/6/2024, 2:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

Advancement from Area Contest to State Contest

3. In contests advancing three or more bands, any band that receives a ranking of three or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest.

https://www.uiltexas.org/music/marching-band/marching-band-scoring-and-advancement-procedure

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by HCBD on 11/6/2024, 1:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

UIL rules were absolutely followed. Read the rule book.

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Posted by lobster on 11/6/2024, 1:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

(4) Additional Bands. In contests advancing two bands, any band that receives a ranking of two or higher from two music judges and one marching judge shall also advance to the state contest. In addition, in contests advancing three or more bands, any band that receives a ranking of three or higher from two music judges and one marching judge shall also advance to state.

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by DesertJazz on 11/6/2024, 12:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

No connection with the contest, but looking at the places of 4th place there were 1, 3, in music, and 3 ordinal in visual for Pecos. That puts the 'bad judge' rule in effect. Thus 4 bands advanced is my guess. The actual tie was broken in the system properly, they advanced four most likely due to that.

Re: Tie breaker not used?

Posted by And... on 11/7/2024, 7:30 am, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

...the "Bad Judge" rule has been invoked several times this year. If you are looking at the results on the UIL site, they have highlighted the judge's rankings of the band(s) in question that activate the rule.

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Posted by RTFM on 11/6/2024, 12:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Tie breaker not used?"

The rules say that if a band receives a rating of 3 or higher from two music judges and one visual judge then they advance to state. Learn the rules before you get on the internet crying that your band didn’t advance. They could have come in 8th place and still advanced. We call it the “bad judge” rule.

In addition, in area contests advancing two bands, any band that receives a ranking of two or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest. In contests advancing three or more bands, any band that receives a ranking of three or higher from at least two of the music judges and one of the visual judges shall also advance to the state contest.

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