Re: Your thoughts
Posted by Concur... on 5/22/2020, 6:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Your thoughts"
You're correct...he won't answer your questions...that would require him to deviate from his script. |
So to be clear you are really saying to the 30 million plus unemployed that they are contributing to the greater good by losing their jobs and they are just being inconvenienced and should be grateful for that? That's bold coming from someone with a government guaranteed paycheck. I assume you are telling the salon owner that finally had to open or lose everything that was thrown in jail, (thankfully that was stopped in short order and would definitely qualify as a violation of freedom), that she needed to go to jail or go broke as a support to the greater good?
The way to get businesses back on their feet is to open their doors. That also gets people back to work instead of handing them money. I will keep saying you better hope things go back to normal as fast as possible and 6 months isn't fast enough or you will be one of the unemployed. To think that bands will supported if doors to schools are closed is ludicrous. But I look forward, should that happen, to you happily accepting your contribution to society as you wait in the breadlines.
And just as a passing final thought - when the county judge and the mayor force businesses closed and tell me to stay home how do you say freedom hasn't been lost? I didn't listen to them so yes, I did not lose my freedom in that regard but just something as simple as "stay home" means freedom doesn't equate. And lastly, because I know you won't keep up with actually answering questions but maybe the last thing you read you might answer - what did you financially sacrifice during this, what did you personally sacrifice during this, (loss of business, time with family, special events), and what do you think of Mayor Turner laughing at the question about him giving up his own salary to keep from furloughing 3000 city workers?
The city did close parks = freedom lost
The county did close parks = freedom lost
And now the city is closing swimming pools for the summer which will lead to those city kids who don't have pool access to lose exercise, (health risk), and possibly be trapped inside where the AC may or may not work (health risk). Fortunately the pool in my backyard isn't closed but not everyone is as lucky.
Can you please tell me which constitutional protected freedoms that were lost or laws that were violated that impacted freedom?
I think you are confusing sacrifice for the greater good and being inconvenienced as a lost of freedom. I can't imagine our current society having to deal with a WW2 level of sacrifice given how self centered our nation has become.
In reality, this pandemic has pointed out a lot of flaws in our nation. Things are not going back to normal tomorrow or in six months. The focus needs to be how to protect our population from the virus, how to help unemployed people stay afloat, how to help businesses get back on their feet, and to make sacrifices that may inconvenience you.
TLDR: Being inconvenienced does not equate to losing freedom. You have the same freedoms as before.
1. Not all restaurants are set up to do take out and even those that did were forced to run on a much smaller staff. Bars were closed and not allowed to operate, (51% of your sales had to come from food thus the strip club being allowed to open up when he decided enough was enough). So people lost jobs and were more than INCONVENIENCED.
2. They tried because the cops decided it was stupid but I do recall a few places around the country that in fact did give tickets, (fortunately none of those were in Texas).
3. Again - in some states people were in fact not allowed to do things outside. Skate park in LA was filled in with sand. Basketball rims were taken down in Houston or covered with steel plates to keep the kids away, even if they were shooting alone. Public beaches were closed. And over Easter weekend Harris County and Houston did in fact close their parks, locked the gates, and threatened people by putting an increased presence of police and security who were there to run people off or arrest them if they refused. Other places around the country were in fact ticketing people for exercising and even here they tried to ticket boaters up in Conroe.
4. Just out of curiosity, how many businesses have you owned, started, or managed? Just trying to gauge your expertise in declaring failed businesses were already failing before this.
5. 30 million people and counting are probably the "few" you are referring to would probably disagree with your deciding it was just a mild inconvenience. The PPP was a good idea and could have helped except that a. it ran out of money and someone decided to play politics before reloading it and b. not everyone qualified. Larger companies laid off people because if there is no money they can't pay salaries and just because you employ X number of employees doesn't mean you have 4 months of cash lying around. And some smaller companies or independent contractors didn't get through or approved. Same with the smaller businesses. I know CEO's that stopped taking a salary to keep their company open and I know small business owners that did the same thing while Mayor Turner laughed when asked if he was considering a pay cut to offset having to furlough 3000 city employees while announcing he was hiring 100's of tracers.
And just to summarize - when the government decides some businesses can open and others need to close then freedoms were lost whether you think a haircut was important or not. It was important to that hairdresser who poured their savings into that business. Furniture stores were open but music stores closed? Home improvement stores open but vets had to close their lobbies? Liquor stores open but car manufacturing was shut down? And in some states big box stores were open but certain aisles were closed to deter browsers. Those are freedoms lost. You and I apparently see "freedom" differently.
Restaurants were not forced to close - only dining rooms. Many restaurants stayed open and offered take-out food. Your argument there is invalid.
"they tried to ticket people" means that they were unsuccessful in doing so. Therefore, nothing happened - and your argument is invalid.
And what freedoms, specifically guaranteed and codified were taken away? The right to go play outside? You were still encouraged to go out for exercise trips on a daily basis. To go to a park? Parks close after 9 PM all the time - are your rights being taken away when that happens?
No freedoms were "taken away" in the past two months. You had to sacrifice creature comforts for the good of all - but you're still just as free and just as American as you were beforehand. Stop with the hyperbole!
I didn't see the government implement COVID concentration camps. I didn't see the draft instituted. I didn't see no-knock health check warrants. NONE of what you are saying about a "loss of freedoms" is valid IN ANY WAY aside from you're whining that you were MILDLY INCONVENIENCED for the past two months.
And as for your "Businesses were forced to close" - every one of those businesses could have done business online or by getting declared an "essential business" which was a LAUGHABLY low bar. So your hairstylist wasn't allowed to spread the disease - it took a while for the CDC and for the department of health to figure out safe ways to allow haircuts. I don't know about you, but I went to a Sportclips YESTERDAY. They're open again. No one DIED because you couldn't get your hair did.
Yes, some people are experiencing financial hardship from all this. But guess what? 1.8 TRILLION dollars is available in business loans and grants as a result of just the FIRST stimulus package. Things are lean NOW. Nearly every company is waiving late fees and is willing to work with business owners on late payments due to this epidemic. Anyone who "lost their business" during this time was close to losing their business ANYWAY before this happened, and chose to blame it on the shutdown.
In short, GET OVER IT. You're lying, and you're drinking the alt-right koolaid. Turn off Fox News and Breitbart and go get some air.
In fact they did take away that freedom. The government forced those businesses to close therefore, I didn't have the freedom to go to a restaurant. They tried to ticket people for getting haircuts or playing in parks. They told kids not to touch that slide....
Say what you want, the government did in fact take away freedoms. And from business owners - that's a whole different discussion.
No. A song does not dictate public policy. But to play along, can you show me documentation that says US policy is dictated by songs?
You were free before the virus. You were free during lockdowns. You are free now. You will be free when things open back up.
Now, I'm not advocating for everyone to stay home to shelter in place because this isn't reality. I venture out, but I don't go to restaurants or other places where a lot of people are accumulating. I view it from the standpoint that I want to protect myself and others. Yes, even people who refuse to listen to basic advice.
Wash your hands. Wear a mask. Be mindful of what you touch. Be mindful of how close you are to other people. Basic stuff that really takes no effort and doesn't impact your "freedom".
You can stay home. You can have everything delivered to you. You can live a touch-less, secluded life. You will be safe from all harm that could ever come for you because your home is 100% safe and you would never have to worry again. YOU could do that and nobody would care.
And I can take a gander out to a restaurant, socialize with friends, and even visit a sporting event or two before hitting a store to pick up some essential items or even just a screwdriver.... I don't mind you staying home. Just leave me alone to be free.
And blah blah blah on me causing harm to others. Because the reality is, I'm only causing harm to others if they also, choose to venture out knowing that they too, would like to live free. I can't harm them if they stay home. You see, there are two sides to this. We can infringe on my way of living, or we can infringe on someone else's. Call me selfish, (but there is more to health than being free of a virus as the number of domestic violence calls has doubled and the mental health of this country is tanking. We thought we had mass shootings in the past....) I choose to let the majority be free while the much smaller minority, (over 65 for some and especially over 80 and nursing home residents), takes precautions. You are more likely to get shot or die in a car wreck this week in Houston than you are to die from Covid. Maybe that's why you should stay home instead of a virus.....
So we should use a song to dictate public health and safety?
There's a piece called The Star Spangled Banner. Might want to check the lyrics.
Land of the free and home of the brave? What are you even talking about? Please elaborate on your statement.
Amen. Time to live up to "Land of the free and home of the brave".