I have often imitated the honor band tricks and absolutely agree to set those high standards. Also agree with honor bands are made from 6th grade up. In February look at the list of private instructors and clinicians with the Honor bands, especially the 5/6 schools. Good for them and their students for having those opportunities but you can't blanket statement say quality teaching and quality middle schools mean state level programs whether you are talking Marching, Concert, or Football. There are other factors at play and one of the biggest is talent pool for quality teaching to work with. Bad teachers won't be successful no matter the talent level. Good teachers won't be successful with bad talent.