You're right. Thanks for fact checking. Must have been looking at cases/million not deaths/million. I'm going to stop fighting on message boards (for today at least) and grade some scale tests.
No, we don’t have the highest death toll per capita... we have the SECOND highest behind Spain (not including micro-states like San Marino, Vatican City, Faulkland Islands. If you’re going to use the same talking points, you should at least check out the current data to make sure you’re right.
1. Exactly. People over 65 are always the most vulnerable so this is like many other viruses that target them but rather than put measures in place for them we locked down the other 99.7 percent of the population?
2. I never stopped. I have been to hardware stores and grocery stores and garden stores on a consistent basis for the past 2 months. I stand in lines at the grocery store waiting to get in. I stand in lines in the grocery store waiting to get out. In fact, NOBODY has stopped going to the grocery store including your students so, in fact, you have gone places continually as have they. I have been out on walks daily just like I have for the previous 20 years.... None of that has changed. In fact, a number of jobs that were considered essential have never stopped including construction and fast food and UPS and Amazon and all sorts of places.....
3. Glad you aren't a germaphobe. But sheer math comes into play. We have tested more than any other country buy far. We have counted liberally all deaths. And our country is freaking HUGE! We don't have the largest death toll per capita.
1. Name a disease, ANY DISEASE where people of 65 aren't the biggest risk group. I'll wait.
2. No, because I have not gone anywhere. My friends have not gone anywhere. My students have not gone anywhere. I literally filled up with gas mid-march and still have half a tank. This level of distancing has NEVER happened before, so no, I'm not surprised.
3. I can't recall ever getting a flu shot, ever. I have never had a sick day from teaching. I got the flu this year right at the beginning of Christmas break and I felt like crap until January. I didn't go to the doctor, but when my kid caught it from me I took her in right away to get tested and get Tamiflu. I'm only saying this so you know I'm not a hand-wringing worry wart, who is afraid of a sneeze.
One last thing: Take out NY, NJ, and in fact take the top 10 states with infections out (which includes Texas), and what do you have? The US still has the highest number of confirmed cases in the world. Take out our top 5 (NY, NJ, MA, IL, CA) and we still have the highest death toll in the world.
1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.
2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....
3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.
I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.
One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!
Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.
Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas.
I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu.
A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?
I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.
Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.
The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.
I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.
I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.
The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.
The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are...
1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their
2. Why is this public health crisis different?
3. How did we end up in this situation?