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: I was underlining the fact that no
: constitutuion states that "The state is
: unitary , but if some region, province or
: state chooses to part away, feel free to
: leave" .
: After the revolution there were some
: independentist movements both in Madeira
: (FLM) and Azores (FLAMA).
: But they soon realized that independence was
: unfeasible, as they had no economic chances
: to survive and so they choose to remain part
: of the whole country.
: For the same reason, that's why Galiza,
: Extremadura or Andaluzia comfortably prefer
: to stay in an united Spain, benefiting from
: the more advanced regions under the economic
: umbrella of Madrid and Catalonia.
: Catalonia, like it or not, has the capacity
: and ability to be a viable independent
: No, it doesn't. It's indebted to Spain, and
: wholly dependent on becoming an immediate
: member of the EU, something Spain would
: veto. An independent Catalonia without EU
: membership would not survive economically.
: Witness the companies re-registering their
: home offices outside of Catalonia because
: they know that access to the EU is vital to
: their business and Catalonia would struggle
: to ever get Spain to not veto an effort to
: The problem is entirely political and,
: worse, that hypocritic aberration of
: thepolitical correct.
: Appeal to facts, not emotion. There is
: nothing of political correctness in
: requiring adherence to a constitution.
: Any african or asian nation from Burkina
: Faso to Bangla Desh, that choosed to become
: independent, no matter how poor or deprived
: of institutions, educated staff, etc, will
: have the blessing of the major powers,
: Really? Because there was a lot of gnashing
: of teeth about the independence of quite a
: few African and Asian nations, and Russia
: continues to withhold recognition of Kosovo.
: will turn a blind eye to the emergence of a
: corrupt, thieve, ill-prepared
: "elite" who will welcome foreign
: investment provided they will receive their
: How utterly cynical of you.
: On a recent political debate, someone said
: that if it was of the interest of Germany,
: the Catalonia independence would be
: recognized tomorrow, as happened with
: Croatia, where Germany overruned the EU and
: all its partners who were not so hasty in
: recognizing the birth of a new country.
: But apparently Germany is not that
: interested which is a shame for the
: catalonian independists.
: Or perhaps Germany knows that the egregious
: human rights abuses that marked the breakup
: of Yugoslavia are not taking place in
: Catalonia, regardless of what the
: separatists and their non-Spaniard
: supporters would claim.
: --Previous Message--
: I suppose you would not say the same if
: Madeira or Açores had proclaimed their
: independence. And art 155 of the Spanish
: constitution is "softer" compared
: to art 233 and 234 of the Portuguese
: constitution. The Spanish Govt. does not
: have right of veto, like in your art. 233.
: Seriously, do you know any constitution that
: allows a secession of a region, state or
: province ?
: Of course all constitutions maintain the
: unity of the country, which doesn't mean
: that a region, state or province may not
: aspire to its independence or in a lesse
: grade, more autonomy.
: But if the central state remains closed in
: its ivory tower surrounded by the
: constitution, dialogue may proove a bit
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