It will be interesting to see how benign or heavy-handed Spanish rule will be in Catalonia, will the Catalan flag still fly from official buildings, will the civil servants from Madrid be able to communicate in Catalan or will they "rule" in Spanish and will all the powers taken back by Madrid all be returned?
And though the Spanish loyalists & their friends won't mention it there is a lot of hatred & jealousy of Catalan's & Barcelona and some in Madrid & elsewhere in Spain will be delighted to see the Catalan's "cut down to size".
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: Damian have you studied what the Spanish
: governments have been doing since the death
: of Franco? They have been very careful but
: that has not stopped a sizeable minority of
: Catalans still believing that they would be
: better off as an independent nation. Part of
: them have strong socialist views and see
: Spain and Europe as neoliberal entities that
: block real socialist measurements.
: The movement in Catalonia is partially to
: put down to regionalism and indoctrination
: of the local authorities for decades but
: part of it is the way the European project
: has been highjacked by big businesses and is
: no longer seen as something for the people
: in Europe.
: Brexit, the election of Macron and others
: all partly due to that as well.
: Johan, I daresay that you are quite right
: about varied vested interests trying to
: manipulate this fraught situation for their
: own ends. Nevertheless I think the real
: question here is exactly how sizeable is
: that 'sizeable minority of Catalans' you
: refer to who want independence and are they
: indeed a minority? What is the evidence one
: way or the other given that the Spanish
: government forbids them to express their
: views on this in a manner legally
: acceptable to both sides? As an interested
: and entirely impartial bystander I would
: genuinely like to know and shouldn't that be
: the case for everyone else who is not
: motivated by bias one way or the other?
: I cannot but help reflect on the Scottish
: referendum of 2 years ago when, like
: Catalonia, a sizeable number of Scottish
: citizens in a country run by a nationalist
: government were allowed to peaceably and
: lawfully express their views about this.
: Because the UK government allowed them to
: get this off their chest in a constructive
: and peaceful manner they managed to lance
: the boil so to speak and persuaded enough
: undecided Scottish citizens to continue to
: back the union with the UK. Can you imagine
: what might have been the outcome if the
: British government had issued dire warnings
: and threats to Scotland and if the Queen had
: gone on television and wagged her finger at
: those errant Scottish subjects who wanted to
: break with the union?
: In short, how best do you keep the lid on a
: pressure cooker before it blows apart? Use
: of increasing threats and force and the risk
: of more violence or letting the pressure out
: gently by letting the people express their
: views in a legitimate and democratic manner?
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