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Posted by Bob K --Previous Message--
on 4/25/2007, 6:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Why the LACR Bilboard was removed.."
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HAY mike thats right city officals SUCK,They are buracratic assholes,they should be concerned about street racing going to take place in sept or october. They wont respond till somone gets killed. Just remember I told you so.ALL YOU* FAT BLOTED HUNKS OF SHIT do nothing STUFFED SUITS NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT.BUT I KNOW ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY.THEY need to address this now but their way of thinking stinks - - - - THEM!!!!!!!!!
: Hey Mike tell us how you really feel LOL LOL I
: do agree with you 100% Palmdale and the area
: around it will know how many kids really
: come out to race at LACR when it's gone and
: they start street racing up there.
: Butch
: www.anra.com
:
: --Previous Message--
: If the city of palmdale is so concerned
: about
: image , then why are they sitting idol and
: letting Granite take a historic site like
: LACR and bulldozing it under for profit and
: putting the racers back on the streets .
: There will be a lot of outcry when the
: racers return to the streets , other cities
: are trying to give racers places to race,
: but not up here, this city is more concerend
: about a sign that may distract from the
: beauty of this hellhole. Mark my words ,
: when the racers return to the streets in
: October, when they shut down LACR watch the
: carnage begin. Dont do anything city of
: Palmdale, but dont cry when are police are
: wasting there time and the tax payers money
: trying to run off street racers because one
: of the oldest race tracks in California was
: bulldozed so some company can pad their
: pockets. Just my 2 cents .
:
: --Previous Message--
: That is exactly why LACR took down their
: sign,
: it was not in compliance with the sign
: ordance, even though the sign had stood
: there for over 20 years. Just another way
: that the City of Palmdale helps bussinesses
: in the community!
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Found this in the newspaper today.. and
: remembered how a while ago people were
: asking why the big LACR Sign was taken
: down..
:
:
: PALMDALE - Gas station owner Sam Nowyhed
: says his cooperation with the city's
: pole-sign regulation is strangling his
: business.
:
: Palmdale Mayor Jim Ledford says he may have
: a solution to Nowyhed's problem if other
: members of the City Council agree to dust
: off a plan shelved years ago.
:
: This past fall, at City Hall's insistence,
: Nowyhed removed a large pole sign that
: alerted freeway motorists to his AM/PM
: minimart-Arco gas station outlet at 411 West
: Palmdale Blvd.
:
: Under an ordinance adopted in 1990, all
: businesses in Palmdale were supposed to
: remove their pole signs by September 2005,
: but some have not.
:
: Since losing his pole sign, his store's
: sales have dropped more than 25% and his
: gasoline sales have dropped nearly 50%,
: Nowyhed said.
:
: "If nothing happens in another few
: months, I'm putting my store up for sale at
: any price and I'm moving out," he said.
:
: Other business owners have told him they
: have no intention of removing their pole
: signs because of anticipated losses, Nowyhed
: said.
:
: The sign takedown has already impacted
: freeway-close eateries, which have shown
: drop-offs in business as signs have dropped
: in height and illumination.
:
: It is unfair for him to follow the rules and
: lose customers if the city is not making
: others take down their signs, Nowyhed said.
:
: "When people drive on the freeway and
: they see only that the AM/PM sign is down,
: they think I went out of business or that I
: moved out," he said.
:
: "If all of us remove our freeway signs,
: then the people will understand,"
: Nowyhed said. "It looks like I went out
: of business and everyone else is still
: open."
:
: After 26 years of business at that location,
: "I know for a fact that most of my
: customers are commuters and travelers, not
: neighborhood residents," he said.
:
: It is that high transiency of customer base
: that is most affected by lowered visibility.
:
: Chuck McKaughan, senior code enforcement
: officer for Palmdale, said the Palmdale city
: attorney's office is preparing letters
: advising those with pole-signs still
: standing that they are being taken to court.
:
: Those who already have complied have saved
: themselves a trip before a judge, McKaughan
: said.
:
: "Of all of the different signs that
: were identified (as illegal), which was
: about 170, there are only about 20 that have
: yet to come down," he said.
:
: Per state law, the city gave all businesses
: with such signs 15 years of use before
: requiring removal, McKaughan said.
:
: "For all of those folks who still have
: nonconforming signs, the city is preparing
: criminal complaints against them," he
: said.
:
: "You can see the city has been trying
: to give businesses plenty of time to
: comply," McKaughan said.
:
: "What we are trying to do is get
: voluntary - although sometimes hesitantly -
: compliance" rather than have the city
: obtain the court orders needed to enter a
: business and remove the signs, he said.
:
: Due to the length of time involved, some
: business owners believe they should be
: allowed to keep their signs, McKaughan
: added.
:
: Because some still refuse to comply,
: Nowyhed's complaint is a valid one, he said.
:
: "Compliance by 85% of owners is pretty
: good, but we're not going to stop
: there," McKaughan said. "There are
: some people who are going to delay until
: they go to court. … Ultimately, those people
: are going to have to pay (money)" in
: addition to removing their signs.
:
: Businesses that agree to remove their signs
: without going to court will be given extra
: time to do so because the goal is
: compliance, not punishment, McKaughan said.
:
: "With all due respect, as a long-time
: businessman, the city should at least help
: those of us who have lost our signs"
: yet must compete against those who are
: flouting the rules, Nowyhed said.
:
: He suggested the addition of signs like
: those in Acton that advise drivers of food,
: fuel and lodging services at appropriate
: exits.
:
: Nowyhed said he has spoken with Caltrans
: officials who seemed to be supportive of
: such signs if the city would endorse the
: idea.
:
: "It has to be at least four or five
: businesses participating, and the city has
: to help," he said.
:
: According to McKaughan, Palmdale has been
: advised that Caltrans allows such signs only
: at towns and cities with fewer than 50,000
: residents.
:
: While small businesses are suffering, large
: businesses are allowed to install huge signs
: and erect large towers that are visible to
: freeway motorists, Nowyhed said.
:
: "We have been here longer than those
: businesses," he said. "I don't
: think that is fair. I think it is
: discrimination. … I am really
: frustrated."
:
: "If we do not make any sound to let the
: customers or the city know about our
: problem, we will disappear," Nowyhed
: said.
:
: Ledford said the size of business's sign is
: controlled by the size of its building and
: pointed out that large towers are available
: only for shopping centers with hundreds of
: thousands of square feet of retail space.
:
: Ledford also said that shortly after his
: election to the City Council in 1990, he was
: part of a delegation that sought the state's
: permission for the installation of
: business-related signs on the Antelope
: Valley Freeway signs to compensate for the
: implementation of the new pole-sign
: ordinance.
:
: That permission was denied, so the city came
: up with a plan to acquire land near freeway
: exits to install its own signs, Ledford
: said.
:
: "We would work to acquire the
: property" for signs that could be
: erected near off-ramps but outside of the
: state's right-of-way, he said.
:
: "The idea was to put their logos on the
: signs" advertising the businesses at
: the next exit, Ledford said.
:
: "I think we had the program ready, and
: it's a matter of resurrecting it" for
: the council's consideration, he said.
:
: "I think it has a lot of merit and
: would allow fairness for everybody within a
: certain distance of an off-ramp to
: participate - not just the people who can
: afford the biggest pole signs," Ledford
: said.
:
: "I would be glad to bring that back for
: consideration at an upcoming council
: meeting," he said. "I think the
: need to tell people what's available at the
: next off-ramp is a legitimate issue."
:
: The plan would allow the city to facilitate
: business advertising "in a much more
: aesthetically pleasing fashion that will get
: them attention," Ledford said.
:
: Pole signs for individual businesses are not
: the answer, the mayor added.
:
: "Just imagine every business in the
: Trade and Commerce Center specific plan with
: its own pole sign," Ledford said.
:
: The mayor was referring to the new shopping
: centers around 10th Street West and Rancho
: Vista Boulevard (Avenue P).
:
: "That would totally defeat the purpose
: of each business's pole sign," he said.
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