: I was surprised when reading that Prince
: Richard stated that his in-laws were
: initially worried that he wasn't 'royal
: That's quite surprising indeed. His mother
: was certainly not a royal by birth. Samme
: for Henrik (even his noble birth is
: questioned). And same for the original
: Indeed, after accepting commoner Henrik for
: the heiress to the crown, it's difficult to
: understand why K.Frederik and Q.Ingrid would
: object to the Prince of
: Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, for their 2nd
: As you well put it, the wedding of
: Anne-Marie rose the bar so much that the
: couple might expect another brilliant
: wedding (specially after the Margreth-Henri
: wedding), but Richard's ancestry was
: reasonably illustrious.
: Even on his mother's side, a duke's
: daughter, member of the swedish aristocracy
: and a descendant from the Baden GDk family
: (ok via the Douglas branch).
: Unless Q.Ingrid was so snob that she looked
: down on the Fouchés d'Otranto.
: Queen Ingrid was a childhood friend of
: Princess Margaretha, Richard's mother. It
: seems hard to believe she would look down on
: her due to her non-royal immediate
: I don't think snobbery was one of the late
: Queen's characteristics.
: We don't know what was the case, just
: interpreting Pr.Richard's comments.
: The fact that you are friends with someone
: of a lower rank does not mean you want your
: children to mingle.
: Cada macaco no seu galho
: Just speculating of course
: Forgetting she was a descendant from an
: obscure lieutenant of Gascogne, whose
: meteorite ascension was due to a
: revolutionary situation.
: King Frederik was himself the grandson of a
: Bernadotte Princess. The dynasty made some
: spectacular royal alliances.
: Hmmm, not that spectacular.
: Not spectacular? A good alliance doesn't
: necessarily mean marrying into a big Royal
: House. With the marriage come the
: As I said.
: Oscar married a minor Leuchtemberg duchess,
: who happened to be the sister-in-law of the
: Emperor of Brazil and the Queen of Portugal,
: and sister of the Duke of Leuchtenberg
: married to a Romanov GDss.
: All those houses stood high above the
: An alliance with a Nassau or a dutch
: princess also cannot be styled as a grand
: So, for you what is a spectacular alliance?
: Marrying the Queen of England or the Tsar of
: Russia? There are/were not that many Queens
: of England and Tsars of Russia available per
: Yes, as I pointed out, the zenith of the
: alliances came with G-A VI who married 2 of
: QV's grand-daughters.
: His son married another QV descendant from a
: small dethroned ducal house.
: His grandson and gr.grand-daughter married
: I also referred the ill-fated alliance
: between Wilhelm and GDss Maria of Russia as
: one of the swedish highlights - in terms of
: spectacularity, as for the rest...
: So, if some Portuguese King had married one
: of Queen Victoria's granddaughters would you
: think that it was just an "ok"
: Read my post.
: An alliance between D.Manuel and any of QV's
: grand-daughters, a Connaught or even a
: Battenberg (exception maybe for the Fife
: girls) would be a grander alliance than the
: one to the princess of
: Should D.Luis have married any of QV's
: daughters or even the Habsburg princess he
: was pushed for, would be a grander alliance
: than the one with the the daughter of the
: parvenu King of Italy, ostracized by most
: european RFs for having dethroned their
: relatives Habsburgs and Bourbons, not to
: mentione other features.
: The Bernadottes were sort of parvenus who
: had some difficulty in imposing thenselves
: among other RF's.
: Oscar I could only find a Duchess of
: Leuchtenberg (with lots of well connected
: b-i-l), then there were queens from the
: houses of Oranje, Nassau and Baden (with the
: apport of the Vasa blood) and only with G-A
: VI did they approach a major house.
: Even so, not with king's daughters, but
: "just" nieces.
: And in future generations, the alliances
: were not grander.
: Then there was Pr.Wilhelm with his ill-fated
: marriage to a russian princess and only at
: the back of the family line appeared the
: princely couple Carl and Ingeborg, parents
: of 2 queens
: One Queen and a Crown Princess.
: In the XX
: century we can hardly talk about a newcomer
: family. We might also be aware that with the
: marriage of Gustaf V and Viktoria of Baden
: their children and grandchildren - Queen
: Ingrid included - are also descendants of
: the previous ruling dynasty.
: Given the fact that Benedikte was never
: linked to any member of a RF of a Part I of
: the Gotha, her marriage can only be seen as
: really prestigious and acceptable.
: In 68, the only future king
: "available" (as in
: "single") was Harald of Norway -
: but he had that long term committment, so,
: no chance
: Anne-Marie's most brilliant royal marriage
: in 1964 may have risen the bar in such a way
: that Frederik & Ingrid may have expected
: the same kind of royal choice for their
: elder daughters. But, AFAIK, neither
: Margrethe or Benedikte were ever 'linked' to
: any Prince from Part I.
: He was a member of a Gotha-II
: family and in Vienna it was decided that for
: marriage purposes these families were
: considered 'ebenbürtig'. And also the Danish
: King and Queen had already accepted Prince
: Henrik who is decidedly less noble/ royal
: than Prince Richard.
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: What a lovely photo of Queen Ingrid and her
: Thanks for posting it, Stig.
: I'm curious about Prince Richard's comment
: on royals staying together in a corner
: during some official functions, as if he was
: talking about a group of people to which he
: didn't belong to. Was he talking about
: members of reigning royal families or maybe
: of families of part I. of the Gotha?
: Mayb HSH rest in peace and may the family
: come to terms with this loss.
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: I was a little surprised by
: the one regarding Queen Ingrid and her
: dislike for Germans. Was this based solely
: on the occupation of Denmark by Germany in
: Was Prince Richard exaggerating
: when he made the comments about Queen Ingrid
: and Germans?
: Richard may have exaggerated a bit, but he
: has repeated it in many interviews. He
: respected and understood Queen Ingrid's
: point of view because she belonged to a
: generation who had experienced the war. The
: two of them had a warm relationship, though.
: When King Frederik and Queen Ingrid
: suggested that Richard become a Danish
: prince before his wedding, it was (according
: to Richard) because they were worried about
: the public reaction to a German son-in-law.
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