: I was surprised when reading that Prince
: Richard stated that his in-laws were
: initially worried that he wasn't 'royal
: That's quite surprising indeed. His mother
: was certainly not a royal by birth. Samme
: for Henrik (even his noble birth is
: questioned). And same for the original
: Indeed, after accepting commoner Henrik for
: the heiress to the crown, it's difficult to
: understand why K.Frederik and Q.Ingrid would
: object to the Prince of
: Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, for their 2nd
: As you well put it, the wedding of
: Anne-Marie rose the bar so much that the
: couple might expect another brilliant
: wedding (specially after the Margreth-Henri
: wedding), but Richard's ancestry was
: reasonably illustrious.
: Even on his mother's side, a duke's
: daughter, member of the swedish aristocracy
: and a descendant from the Baden GDk family
: (ok via the Douglas branch).
: Unless Q.Ingrid was so snob that she looked
: down on the Fouchés d'Otranto.
: Queen Ingrid was a childhood friend of
: Princess Margaretha, Richard's mother. It
: seems hard to believe she would look down on
: her due to her non-royal immediate
: I don't think snobbery was one of the late
: Queen's characteristics.
: We don't know what was the case, just
: interpreting Pr.Richard's comments.
: The fact that you are friends with someone
: of a lower rank does not mean you want your
: children to mingle.
: Cada macaco no seu galho
: Just speculating of course
: Forgetting she was a descendant from an
: obscure lieutenant of Gascogne, whose
: meteorite ascension was due to a
: revolutionary situation.
: King Frederik was himself the grandson of a
: Bernadotte Princess. The dynasty made some
: spectacular royal alliances.
: Hmmm, not that spectacular.
: Not spectacular? A good alliance doesn't
: necessarily mean marrying into a big Royal
: House. With the marriage come the
As I said.
Oscar married a minor Leuchtemberg duchess, who happened to be the sister-in-law of the Emperor of Brazil and the Queen of Portugal, and sister of the Duke of Leuchtenberg married to a Romanov GDss.
All those houses stood high above the Leuchtenbergs.
An alliance with a Nassau or a dutch princess also cannot be styled as a grand alliance.
: So, for you what is a spectacular alliance?
: Marrying the Queen of England or the Tsar of
: Russia? There are/were not that many Queens
: of England and Tsars of Russia available per
Yes, as I pointed out, the zenith of the alliances came with G-A VI who married 2 of QV's grand-daughters.
His son married another QV descendant from a small dethroned ducal house.
His grandson and gr.grand-daughter married commoners.
I also referred the ill-fated alliance between Wilhelm and GDss Maria of Russia as one of the swedish highlights - in terms of spectacularity, as for the rest...
: So, if some Portuguese King had married one
: of Queen Victoria's granddaughters would you
: think that it was just an "ok"
Read my post.
An alliance between D.Manuel and any of QV's grand-daughters, a Connaught or even a Battenberg (exception maybe for the Fife girls) would be a grander alliance than the one to the princess of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.
Should D.Luis have married any of QV's daughters or even the Habsburg princess he was pushed for, would be a grander alliance than the one with the the daughter of the parvenu King of Italy, ostracized by most european RFs for having dethroned their relatives Habsburgs and Bourbons, not to mentione other features.
: The Bernadottes were sort of parvenus who
: had some difficulty in imposing thenselves
: among other RF's.
: Oscar I could only find a Duchess of
: Leuchtenberg (with lots of well connected
: b-i-l), then there were queens from the
: houses of Oranje, Nassau and Baden (with the
: apport of the Vasa blood) and only with G-A
: VI did they approach a major house.
: Even so, not with king's daughters, but
: "just" nieces.
: And in future generations, the alliances
: were not grander.
: Then there was Pr.Wilhelm with his ill-fated
: marriage to a russian princess and only at
: the back of the family line appeared the
: princely couple Carl and Ingeborg, parents
: of 2 queens
: One Queen and a Crown Princess.
: In the XX
: century we can hardly talk about a newcomer
: family. We might also be aware that with the
: marriage of Gustaf V and Viktoria of Baden
: their children and grandchildren - Queen
: Ingrid included - are also descendants of
: the previous ruling dynasty.
: Given the fact that Benedikte was never
: linked to any member of a RF of a Part I of
: the Gotha, her marriage can only be seen as
: really prestigious and acceptable.
: In 68, the only future king
: "available" (as in
: "single") was Harald of Norway -
: but he had that long term committment, so,
: no chance
: Anne-Marie's most brilliant royal marriage
: in 1964 may have risen the bar in such a way
: that Frederik & Ingrid may have expected
: the same kind of royal choice for their
: elder daughters. But, AFAIK, neither
: Margrethe or Benedikte were ever 'linked' to
: any Prince from Part I.
: He was a member of a Gotha-II
: family and in Vienna it was decided that for
: marriage purposes these families were
: considered 'ebenbürtig'. And also the Danish
: King and Queen had already accepted Prince
: Henrik who is decidedly less noble/ royal
: than Prince Richard.
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: What a lovely photo of Queen Ingrid and her
: Thanks for posting it, Stig.
: I'm curious about Prince Richard's comment
: on royals staying together in a corner
: during some official functions, as if he was
: talking about a group of people to which he
: didn't belong to. Was he talking about
: members of reigning royal families or maybe
: of families of part I. of the Gotha?
: Mayb HSH rest in peace and may the family
: come to terms with this loss.
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: I was a little surprised by
: the one regarding Queen Ingrid and her
: dislike for Germans. Was this based solely
: on the occupation of Denmark by Germany in
: Was Prince Richard exaggerating
: when he made the comments about Queen Ingrid
: and Germans?
: Richard may have exaggerated a bit, but he
: has repeated it in many interviews. He
: respected and understood Queen Ingrid's
: point of view because she belonged to a
: generation who had experienced the war. The
: two of them had a warm relationship, though.
: When King Frederik and Queen Ingrid
: suggested that Richard become a Danish
: prince before his wedding, it was (according
: to Richard) because they were worried about
: the public reaction to a German son-in-law.
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