Posted by Alex on May 6, 2012, 1:55:07, in reply to "Re: alex"
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Hi Travis,
I was thinking about your post for a while and I have to say that you are right.
I think, that it would be very hard for her to reduce her amount of cigarettes she needs per day. So, I am even afraid that trying this will lead to heavy stress for her and I think this would be even worse for the unborn compared to having to cope with more tar and nicotine in the mothers system. It may also be a good idea for her to smoke more nonfilters or rollies because it will calm her down as well.
Today I will meet her again for a coffee and I will discuss this whole stuff with her and her husband. Would be also interesting to hear his opinion about it.
I will keep you updated if you are interested ?
Smoky regards
Alex
--Previous Message--
: I think she should keep
: doing 4 packs a day no
: matter what, even while
: pregnant.
: I think she should smoke
: more unfiltered.
: I think you should give
: her the advice to just
: do what feels good and
: not worry about it.
: --Previous Message--
: Hi,
:
: I think it is better if
: she would cut down to
: 2-3ppd as she planned. I
: think it is just
: important that she
: smokes during her
: pregnancy so that the
: baby is used to thos
: heavy clouds of second
: hand smoke it will be
: expecting after its
: birth.
: Besides I a hope and I
: am sure she will smoke
: during breastfeeding as
: she did with Antje as
: well as she told me. So,
: she is a very nice heavy
: smoking mother.
:
: Concnering non filters I
: love to see her smoking
: them from time to time
: because it shows her
: heavy addiction very
: nice and how she needs
: additional nicotine and
: tar.
: In general I like her
: smoking her Davidoff.
: They look very sexy and
: they also have a nice
: smell I think.
:
: Unfortunately, no of
: those 4 friends smoke
: pot....
:
: What is your opinion on
: that whole topic with
: her?
:
: Any advice I should give
: her?
:
: Thank you in advance and
: smokyy regards
:
: Alex
:
: --Previous Message--
: Thanks alex.
: What do you think? Do
: you think that she
: should cut down while
: pregnant, or.do you want
: to see her doing 4+
: packs a day while
: pregnant?
:
: Would you enjoy seeing
: her do nonfilters
: exclussively?
:
: Do any of these four
: friends smoke pot?
: --Previous Message--
: Hi Travis,
:
: I am not sure, she told
: me if she gets pregnant
: she would try to cut
: down to 2-3 packs plus
: some nonfilters if they
: are necessary for her. I
: am just not sure if she
: is able to cut
: down....She told me that
: she is afraid that 4ppd
: are really to much
: during her pregnancy so,
: that's why she wanna cut
: down.
: Problem is that she is
: one of the most addicted
: smokers I know.....so
: I'll see what will
: happen if she gets
: pregnant one day.
:
: Smoky regards
:
: Alex
:
: --Previous Message--
: Do you think will cut
: down
: if she gets pregnant, or
: continue smoking 4 packs
: plus some nonfilters per
: day?
: Do any of your 4 friends
: smoke marijuana?
:
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi Anon,
:
: thank you so much for
: your nice comments! Good
: to know that someone is
: interested in this.
:
: Well, after we went in
: the house, I was
: wondering. Something
: changed in here. Last
: time, when I was here,
: for sure, you could
: smell smoke, but not as
: intense than now! Their
: house smelled really
: nice like Marlboro red
: cigarette smoke. I know
: that smell very well
: because my car pool
: woman also switched to
: them for a few days....
: I coulod recognize that
: now there are much more
: ashtray placed around,
: the windows were all
: closed. Little Christian
: was still on Susanne's
: arms, he held him tight
: as she dangled her
: cigarette. She did a
: nice nose exhale as she
: turned around to greet
: me, Christian coughed a
: bit because during this
: turn around, he was just
: bathed in Susanne's
: exhale.
: She gave my a kiss on my
: cheeks, Mark shook my
: hand and we all went in.
:
: Silke was very happy
: that they seem to change
: their mind about their
: smoking habit and she
: smiled and said
: something like
: "well done" to
: Susanne and Mark.
: Especially Susanne
: looked much more relaxed
: and happy than last
: time. After we sat down
: she told us that she is
: now constantly smoking
: 2ppd of Marlboro red
: 100s every day. She also
: smokes in Christians
: room,placed an ashtray
: there and just opens the
: windows in the house
: from time to time. She
: says that she now
: understands Silke and
: Bernd much better and
: that she really loves to
: live in that smoky
: surrounding. Well, for
: Christian it is
: currently a hard time
: because he is still not
: used to so much smoke,
: but Susanne told us that
: he will be soon. She had
: him on her nap so that
: he can look to us and
: after her next long
: cheek hollowing drag she
: told us that he was a
: really bad boy today.
: She talked during
: exhaling over his head
: so that he was again
: bathed in smoke. He did
: not look happy, coughed
: a bit but did not dare
: to do anything else. He
: just sat there in her
: cloud of smoke. Susanne
: told us that he did not
: want to eat, he did not
: want to take a short
: sleep as everyday and
: so, she was really not
: happy with him.
: Besides he was not quiet
: enough today he cried
: very often and was very
: aggressive against his
: parents. Silke told her
: that during the last
: weeks, If Antje behaves
: like that she straps her
: for a few hours in her
: baby stroller until she
: behaves. This is why
: antje is now seated in
: there for the whole
: evening.
: Susanne said that she
: will do exactly the
: same. She does this for
: a few days now and has
: also nice experiences
: with it.
: So, Little christian was
: strapped in his baby
: stroller as well. At the
: beginning, both kids
: where really blaming and
: tried to escape. Both
: mothers just tightened
: the straps so that they
: could not move much
: around. After a while an
: after a lot more
: cigarettes they were
: getting quiet and
: behaved.
: Susanne told us that she
: is really happy that she
: switched to the reds and
: that they give her much
: much more satisfaction
: than the lights. She
: could never go back on
: them.
: Silke smiled at her as
: she chained another
: Davidoff. Silke
: especially looked really
: sexy this evening. She
: had a tight blue jeans,
: a white blouse combined
: with a short black
: leather jacked and high
: heels. The rooms got
: more and more foggy and
: I also felt very
: relaxed, beeing bathed
: in all that heavy second
: hand smoke. I love that!
: The kids were playing
: with empty cigarette
: packs in their baby
: strollers and just
: seemed to accept their
: situation. From time to
: time they would cough
: but that't it.
: After having dinner,
: Silke grapped for her
: unfiltered cigarettes.
: Susanne and Mark where
: very astounded as Silke
: told them that she
: currently smokes a few
: per day if she has bad
: stress or if she just
: needs additional
: nicotine and tar in her
: lung and body. She
: lights up, took a slow
: but deep drag and
: exhaled on the kids who
: immediately started to
: cough in their
: strollers. Susanne
: started to giggle a bit
: and Silke asked her if
: she wanna try one. She
: was not sure because of
: her pregnancy but Silke
: could convince her. She
: lit up, took a short
: drag and coughed....but
: smiled after that. She
: said that they are much
: too strong for her but
: that she is very
: impressed, that Silke
: can smoke those.
: Silke told us that she
: and Bernd wanna have
: another baby and they
: hope that Silke will get
: pregnant soon. They
: think it is really nice
: for the kids if they
: have a sister or brother
: who is not much older or
: younger than they are.
: We all where very happy
: to hear that and talked
: a lot during this
: evening. At 11, the mood
: of the kids really got
: worse because they got
: very tired. So, we
: decided to drive back
: home. Little Antje felt
: asleep as soon as she
: was strapped from the
: stroller to her baby
: seat in the van and we
: drove off. Silke, as
: always, chained her
: Davidoff cigarettes. She
: smoked 10 during our way
: home. It is really
: impressive how much she
: can smoke in a row and
: how much double and even
: triple pumps she can
: even handle after such a
: long and heavy smoky
: evening.
:
: As we arrived at my
: place we said good night
: and said that I will
: visit them next week for
: a coffee.
:
: I will keep you updated.
:
: Smoky regards
:
: Alex
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi
: Thank you so much Alex.
: No, it was great. Please
: continue and give as
: much detail as you can.
: Its all wonderful. I
: hope Christians dad was
: involved in the evening
: and that a lot more
: smoking happened. I'm so
: happy with the was mom
: reacted. Really perfect.
: I hope Christians
: parents will do the same
: to him.
:
: Look forward to hearing
: from you.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi,
:
: yeah, I think you will
: not be disappointed !
: Finally I had a nice
: dinner with them. On
: that evening, only Silke
: took me up because Bernd
: is on business trip over
: the weekend.
: When I entered the car I
: immediately felt like in
: heaven: Silke lighting
: up her next Davidoff
: cigarette, thick clouds
: of smoke in the whole
: car, empty and full
: cigarette packs in the
: front and the back of
: the car. I really love
: that! I took a deep
: breath of the smoky air
: and gave Silke a hug
: after she exhaled her
: first drag of her
: freshly lit cigarette on
: me. She asked me if I
: could empty the
: overflowing ashtray of
: the car because there is
: absolutely no space left
: for other cigarettes.
: For sure I did and so
: she had much more space
: for smoking her
: cigarettes !
: In the back, Antje was
: strapped in her baby
: seat, looking not happy,
: having red eyes and some
: tears in her face. I
: asked Silke what was up
: and she told with
: exhaling, after she took
: another very hard drag
: on her cigarette that
: Antje does not behave
: very nice the last days
: and especially today she
: is in a bad mood. She
: does not want to join
: for dinner because at
: home she was playing in
: her room. She also
: blames her parents for
: smoking which really
: really makes Silke very
: very angry. As a result
: she only smokes more and
: also lights up some non
: filtered cigarettes more
: often. At the end Silke
: had to gave her some
: spankings before they
: left, that's why she
: cried and has the red
: eyes. After Silke
: finished her cigarette
: with a final cheek
: holloing deep drag, she
: asked, exhaling on me
: again, if I could grap
: in her purse to open a
: pack of the non filtered
: pall malls for her. She
: told me, that she needs
: at least one of them
: now. Even they are not
: so tasty she needs the
: extra nicotine and tar
: NOW. So, I opened the
: pack and gave her a
: cigarette. She
: immediately lit and took
: a very slow and also
: long drag. It was
: incredible to see how
: addicted this nice
: looking lady is! I am
: sure she would rather
: die than to cut down her
: smoking! She exhaled on
: the windshield and just
: after another second I
: could smell the heavy
: smoke in my nose. It is
: really totally different
: to the Davidoff or other
: cigarettes. I thought I
: had to cough as she
: exhaled in my direction
: after her third drag,
: but I could manage no
: to. A few drags later,
: little Antje wasn't
: quiet again and started
: to cry. She told her
: mother so stop smoking
: immediately because she
: hates it. Silke got red
: in her face hearing
: that. She suddenly
: shouted to her to stop
: talking like that and
: that she will not be
: allowed to get out of
: her room for 3 weeks if
: she would ever blame
: again about her smoking.
: Silke took a final
: double pump on her non
: filtered pallmall,
: exhaled through her nose
: and lit another one. I
: also did not dare to say
: a word because I saw how
: angry she was. Antje
: started to cry again.
: Silke told me that she
: is sorry. I just told
: her that it is ok and
: that everything's fine
: for me. I can understand
: that she is angry and I
: told her she did the
: right thing. I told her
: that she should just try
: to relax, Antje will
: behave after a while.
: She smiled at me, agreed
: and just let Antje cry a
: bit until she shut up
: and felt asleep. After 3
: non filter cigarettes
: Silke chained in
: addition 2 Davidoff. She
: told me if she is the
: driver, she normally
: chainsmokes all the time
: because of the stress
: with Antje and
: especially because of
: the stress of driving. I
: said that I can totally
: understand that and that
: it is a good idea to
: calm down her nerves
: with chain smoking! She
: smiled as we stopped,
: took a final deep drag,
: exhaled on me, then we
: got out of the car.
:
: Susanne already opened
: the door of the house. I
: could see that she hat
: Christian on her arms,
: on the other hand she
: had a freshly lit
: cigarette. She exhaled
: in our direction,
: greeting us and I could
: see that after her next
: drag, little Christian
: had to breath in some
: second hand smoke
: because the wind blew
: the exhale of his mother
: directly in his tiny
: little face. He wanted
: to go down ot earth, but
: Susanne held him tight
: in her arms, not
: allowing him to escape.
: Silke unstrapped Antje
: form her seat and told
: her that she will punish
: her for her bad
: behaviour in the car.
: Antje looked a bit scary
: as she was strapped very
: tight in her baby
: stroller, not beeing
: allowed to walk. Silke
: lit another cigarette,
: exhaled in Antjes face
: telling her that she
: will have to sit there
: the whole evening until
: she learns how to
: behave. Antje tried to
: get out of the stroller
: but Silke only tightened
: the straps, smiled on
: her, exhaled on her
: again, then we went in
: the house.
:
: I hope I do not bore you
: with all those details.
: I have to go out now,
: but I will write down
: the rest of the evening
: later on if you want'!
:
: Smoky regards
:
: Alex
:
:
: --Previous Message--
: I can't wait to hear how
: it all went. I hope they
: all try the nonfilters.
: Really smoke the place
: up totally. Can't wait
: to find out how the kids
: health is doing and how
: they react to the
: nonfilters. And the
: pregnancy. Hope to hear
: from you soon. Take
: care.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi Anon,
:
: thanks for your nice
: comments! Yes, I also
: think that they are
: performning the right
: education with their
: kids. Especially in
: those anti-smoking
: times.
: I think it is important
: for their kids that they
: just know that they have
: to accept the heavy
: smoking of their parents
: anyway in any case and
: that they have to live
: with it. So, just
: smoking all the time
: around them is the right
: way I think. I can also
: understand and support
: their opinion that they
: wanna have kids who will
: never blame them for
: their smoking because
: so, they can enjoy much
: more and are less
: stressed by them.
:
: Yesterday, I just had a
: short phone call with
: Silke, they asked me if
: I wanna join them to
: Susanne's and Mark's
: place again for dinner
: this weekend. For sure,
: I agreed and I am
: looking forward to it.
: Besides, she told me
: that she tried some
: unfiltered Pall Mall red
: this week because she
: just wanted to try them.
: She told me that she did
: not like them at the
: beginning because they
: taste totally different
: to her beloved Davidoff.
: On the other hand she
: was just fascinated
: about the very heavy
: smoke she could feel in
: her lungs and about the
: extra nicotine rush. So,
: she tries to smoke them
: from time to time if
: Antje stresses her or if
: she has another extra
: stressful situation
: where she needs extra
: heavy smoke to calm
: down.
: I am also looking
: forward to discuss this
: much more in detail with
: her and to see how she
: smokes the unfiltered
: ones....I am sure she
: will smoke them this
: weekend at Susanne's and
: Marks place and in the
: car :-) At least, I hope
: that :-)
:
: Smoky regards
:
: Alex
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi Alex
:
: This is all wonderful
: news. So glad to see all
: of them are smoking
: more. Even when the kids
: are sick or don't seem
: to like it at all. Good
: for them. I hope they
: all continue to increase
: their smoking and expose
: their kids to so much
: smoke. I really love how
: they are
: "educating"
: them. Good for them, it
: is wonderful. Please let
: us know how the
: pregnancy is going and
: how the parents smoking
: keeps going and the kids
: "education."
: And thank you so very
: much for sharing this
: great news with us here.
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi!
:
: thank you for asking!
: For sure I am in regular
: contact with them.
: Sometimes we only meet
: on weekends but that's
: fine.
: Well, the last time when
: I was there, I was there
: for dinner again. Antje
: still had a very heavy
: cough and Silke told me
: that this time her cold
: at all take a very long
: time to get away fully.
: For sure even if Antje
: coughs a lot and has a
: cold Silke and Bernd
: still smoke heavily
: around her. Silke told
: me that she also exhales
: on her a lot but much
: less compared to the
: time when Antje is
: healthy. Silke said that
: when Antje has a cough,
: for sure it makes no
: sense to exhale on her
: to calm her down because
: she would only cough
: much more.
: Silke still smokes 4ppd
: for a few weeks. She
: told me that she needs
: that extra pack per day
: because of the heavy
: stress with coughing
: Antje all day long.
: Besides currently they
: almost never go outside
: the house with her
: because she could get an
: even heavier cold. So,
: Silke just tries to calm
: down Antje and smokes
: one cigarette after the
: other....
: Bernd is also fine, he
: now smokes around
: 2,5ppd, so also a bit
: more than normal due to
: the same reasons.
: It is really really nice
: to see how especially
: Silke is addicted to her
: cigarettes. Even
: chaining, she almost
: always drags very hard
: on her Davidoffs
: inhaling the smoke very
: deep and waiting for
: some seconds. After that
: she would do a big
: exhale or would talk
: during exhaling. You can
: really see how she also
: loves to smoke. Very
: nice and sexy to be
: honest :-)
: Concerning Susanne,
: Silke told me that she
: tried to Marlboro reds
: from Mark and felt
: immediately much more
: relaxed compared to her
: lights. During the first
: few days she combined
: 1ppd reds with 1ppd
: lights but now she only
: smokes red 100s around
: 1,5ppd, still
: increasing.
: Susanne and Mark would
: educate Christian now in
: a bit more stringent way
: and they would both
: exhale very often on
: him. On the one side to
: ensure he gets used to
: the smoke and will never
: blame them again. On the
: other hand they see that
: he behaves better and is
: more relaxed if he has
: to cope with much more
: smoke around him.
: So, everything's fine
: and smoking even
: increased in both
: families. It is really
: nice to see how they all
: love smoking !
:
: Smoky regards
:
: Alex
:
: --Previous Message--
: Hi
:
: Was hoping to hear more
: about Silke and Bernd
: and Susanne and Mark and
: their kids and Susannes
: pregnancy. Have you seen
: or had contact with them
: much. Hope there is a
: whole lot more smoking
: going on
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