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Posted by Myron Blazek I don't agree with you. The greatness of an artist can be measured by the "Beautiful Feelings" he arouses. Yet, a steady diet of any 'one thing' is revolting. N knew this while still sitting at Wagner's feet. Beauty is subjective. Feeling is living. I should like to tell you where you can find the not so arcane 'Grandstyle' in music since you suggest you have never found it. It is Beethoven. It is Wagner. It is Schoenberg. It is the discovery of an idea that is worked out through composition barely aware of itself with no thought to 'please or persuade.' It just is. Woman? Woman is women. Whats to say to that, but I am over the hill ..and, no woman composer has ever given this old duck 'beautiful feelings.' Musical ones that is. Also, take the time to read the brilliant young doctor Benjamin Moritz (musician) in his essay "Nietzsche & 20th Century Music." http://www.nietzschecircle.com/essayArchive5.html --Previous Message--
on 9/19/2007, 3:03 am, in reply to "Re: Review of Nietzsche's Manfred Meditation (musical composition)"
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Aloha ImPious:
Beauty:Intense, deepest communication to the mind.
: --Previous Message--
: Imagine writing an ostensibly beautiful
: mathematical solution on a blackboard, and
: then the chalk begins to squeak without end
: ... Just thinking about this piece of
: "music" makes me cringe.
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: "The greatness of an artist cannot be
: measured by the "beautiful
: feelings" he arouses: leave that idea
: to females. But according to the degree to
: which he approaches the grand style, to
: which he is capable of the grand style. This
: style has this in common that it disdains to
: please; that it forgets to persuade; that it
: commands; that it wills -- To become master
: of the chaos one is; to compel one's chaos
: to become form: to become logical, simple,
: unambiguous, mathematics, law --that is the
: grand ambition here.-- It repels; such men
: of force are no longer loved--a desert
: spreads around them, a silence, a fear as in
: the presence of some great sacrilege-- All
: the arts know such aspirants to the grand
: style: why are they lacking in music? No
: musician has yet built as that architect did
: who created the Palazzo Pitti-- Here lies a
: problem. Does music perhaps belong to a
: culture in which the domain of men of force
: of all kinds has ceased? Does the concept
: grand style ultimately stand in
: contradiction to the soul of music--to the
: "woman" in our music?--"
: [WP 842.]
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