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But you love me Daddy Posted by Dave Cole on December 4, 2008, 3:01 pm 86.17.223.31 I don't know if it's my hearing, but is the source for this song from acetate? I used to think the surface noise was from a poor vinyl copy but I can still hear the same hiss/ scratches on the CD versions. Does anyone know why especally as the Family Bear versions have really good, clear reproduction? Dave Cole Yateley Hampshire UK  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Don Streeter on December 4, 2008, 9:07 pm, in reply to "But you love me Daddy" 69.223.44.87 Dave, A lot of magnetic tape noise issues can be electronically altered (cleaned up if you will) when original masters are digitized, and this is known as digital remastering, usually an electronically enhanced process where noise is removed during the remastering process. The CEDAR noise reduction system is one such device, and has been used by RCA and Bear Family on some of its Jim Reeves releases. I'm sure Voicemasters uses similar devices on its remastering efforts as well. I have the Bear set and have not noticed any really bad noise on any of the tracks. The most noticeable noise I can recall on a JR cut is at the beginning of I Love You Because when the harp is playing at the beginning. I believe the three track tape machine they recorded on at Studio B (which is now on display in the CMHOF Main Building)they had the recording level at too low a setting and when they mixed the master tape down to two channels from the three. they had to increase the volume level higher than desireable on the channel the harp was on so it could be heard., They probably got a lot of hiss/noise in the process because there wasn't a strong enough signal on the original tape, and the high level on the new master could have caused what is known as print through, which is more noise due to magnetic transfer of sound information to the next lower turn of the tape on the reel. Somes times it sounds like an echo when it is played because of the same signal is in two places on the same tape, one at the set level and one very faint where the print through has contaminated the next layer of tape on the reel. Where tape is not used anymore it's not a problem in today's modern studios, but in Jim's day, tape was all that was available. Regards, Don --Previous Message-- : I don't know if it's my hearing, but is the : source for this song from acetate? I used : to think the surface noise was from a poor : vinyl copy but I can still hear the same : hiss/ scratches on the CD versions. Does : anyone know why especally as the Family Bear : versions have really good, clear : reproduction? : : : Dave Cole : Yateley : Hampshire : UK :  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Larry Jordan on December 5, 2008, 9:00 am, in reply to "But you love me Daddy" 69.66.111.56 When Mary decided to do an overdub of this song, the original tape master could not be located in the RCA files. So she had to rely on an acetate dub that Jim himself had played once too often. He loved the song and often played it for friends. Unfortunately, it had some pops and clicks on it through wear. In the days when Mary was doing overdubs -- which was still the "analog age" (before digital) -- engineers were rather limited it what clean-up techniques they could employ. So the overdubbed version ended up containing some surface noise from the acetate. When Owen Bradley and his engineer did the Jim Reeves/Patsy Cline "duets" -- mixing the two artists' separate vocal tracks together and then overlaying new instrumentation -- there is also an awful lot of tape hiss apparent on Jim's vocal. In fact, it is very distracting to listen to. All of that could now be cleaned up, of course, and on one re-release I've heard in recent years (I can't remember from whom), that has been accomplished, so it sounds better. Sad to say, so much of Jim's catalog of studio masters, has still not been given the sort of clean up that is currently possible, or that his great artistry deserves. The non-RCA recordings we have worked with for the VoiceMasters CDs have, however, been put through our own proprietary clean-up efforts and of course 24-bit digital remastering. The results speak for themselves.  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Gil Nelson on December 5, 2008, 10:53 am, in reply to "Re: But you love me Daddy" 72.24.68.254 The Patsy Cline/Jim Reeves duets left much to be desired. I realize "Have You Ever Been Lonely" was a hit song, but that doesn't mean it was a quality execution. It was, in fact, sloppy. Before it was ever remastered to compact disc technology, I could easily hear the flaws on the vinyl. I detected a bit of bleed-over not mention some really bad editing. I know it has been discused here before, but much of the RCA overdubbing fell extremely short and I feel that VM has done much to restore the Reeves reputation for perfection. I do take into consideration that the recording industry simply did not have the technology that we have today when the bulk of the Reeves overdubs were created, but at the very least, before I would release something that compromised the quality of the artist, I would not release it at all. I am sure that we all have our favorite VM releases. I personally feel that two of their very best efforts were "Trying to Forget" and "Lonesome Waltz". I think that either one of these songs could have been a hit some 40 years ago when they came out, but they sounded so very BAD! Even as a 15 year old kid I knew these songs were by no means up to par. Larry and his team have done a excellent job of "beyond restoration" and simply "fixed" that which was broken. These songs are now a pleasure to listen to and I am very happy that they are now released in Europe on the latest compilation of VM productions. I can only hope that they finally receive their due. Voicemasters has truly brought these songs back and better than ever. --Previous Message-- : : When Mary decided to do an overdub of this : song, the original tape master could not be : located in the RCA files. So she had to rely : on an acetate dub that Jim himself had : played once too often. He loved the song and : often played it for friends. Unfortunately, : it had some pops and clicks on it through : wear. : : In the days when Mary was doing overdubs -- : which was still the "analog age" : (before digital) -- engineers were rather : limited it what clean-up techniques they : could employ. So the overdubbed version : ended up containing some surface noise from : the acetate. : : When Owen Bradley and his engineer did the : Jim Reeves/Patsy Cline "duets" -- : mixing the two artists' separate vocal : tracks together and then overlaying new : instrumentation -- there is also an awful : lot of tape hiss apparent on Jim's vocal. In : fact, it is very distracting to listen to. : All of that could now be cleaned up, of : course, and on one re-release I've heard in : recent years (I can't remember from whom), : that has been accomplished, so it sounds : better. : : Sad to say, so much of Jim's catalog of : studio masters, has still not been given the : sort of clean up that is currently possible, : or that his great artistry deserves. : : The non-RCA recordings we have worked with : for the VoiceMasters CDs have, however, been : put through our own proprietary clean-up : efforts and of course 24-bit digital : remastering. The results speak for : themselves. : : :  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Doris Gath on December 5, 2008, 1:30 pm, in reply to "Re: But you love me Daddy" 4.232.93.131 Hi: Once, while visiting Jim and Mary in their home, Jim was playing tapes of songs he had cut at home and not yet released. I cannot remember any of them except "But you love me daddy". It was getting late (like 1 am) and we were wanting to leave. Jim said "I've got one more song I want you to hear. I love this little song but RCA won't let me release it as they say it won't sell". Much to my surprise and tears RCA did release it several years after Jim's death. I remembeered it when he played it for us!! Always for Jim, Doris --Previous Message-- : : When Mary decided to do an overdub of this : song, the original tape master could not be : located in the RCA files. So she had to rely : on an acetate dub that Jim himself had : played once too often. He loved the song and : often played it for friends. Unfortunately, : it had some pops and clicks on it through : wear. : : In the days when Mary was doing overdubs -- : which was still the "analog age" : (before digital) -- engineers were rather : limited it what clean-up techniques they : could employ. So the overdubbed version : ended up containing some surface noise from : the acetate. : : When Owen Bradley and his engineer did the : Jim Reeves/Patsy Cline "duets" -- : mixing the two artists' separate vocal : tracks together and then overlaying new : instrumentation -- there is also an awful : lot of tape hiss apparent on Jim's vocal. In : fact, it is very distracting to listen to. : All of that could now be cleaned up, of : course, and on one re-release I've heard in : recent years (I can't remember from whom), : that has been accomplished, so it sounds : better. : : Sad to say, so much of Jim's catalog of : studio masters, has still not been given the : sort of clean up that is currently possible, : or that his great artistry deserves. : : The non-RCA recordings we have worked with : for the VoiceMasters CDs have, however, been : put through our own proprietary clean-up : efforts and of course 24-bit digital : remastering. The results speak for : themselves. : : :  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Dave Cole on December 5, 2008, 2:26 pm, in reply to "Re: But you love me Daddy" 217.156.134.13 Thanks for the info Larry. One thing though, Bear's stereo version of this song (without RCA's overdub) has Steve Moore mixed to a channel all on his own, with enough channel separation to be able to be able to turn him down completely. The reason I mention this is because I was able to record my own 8 year old son, a couple of years ago, singing along with Jim as though he were with him in the studio - singing Steve’s lyrics. Regards, Dave --Previous Message-- : : When Mary decided to do an overdub of this : song, the original tape master could not be : located in the RCA files. So she had to rely : on an acetate dub that Jim himself had : played once too often. He loved the song and : often played it for friends. Unfortunately, : it had some pops and clicks on it through : wear. : : In the days when Mary was doing overdubs -- : which was still the "analog age" : (before digital) -- engineers were rather : limited it what clean-up techniques they : could employ. So the overdubbed version : ended up containing some surface noise from : the acetate. : : When Owen Bradley and his engineer did the : Jim Reeves/Patsy Cline "duets" -- : mixing the two artists' separate vocal : tracks together and then overlaying new : instrumentation -- there is also an awful : lot of tape hiss apparent on Jim's vocal. In : fact, it is very distracting to listen to. : All of that could now be cleaned up, of : course, and on one re-release I've heard in : recent years (I can't remember from whom), : that has been accomplished, so it sounds : better. : : Sad to say, so much of Jim's catalog of : studio masters, has still not been given the : sort of clean up that is currently possible, : or that his great artistry deserves. : : The non-RCA recordings we have worked with : for the VoiceMasters CDs have, however, been : put through our own proprietary clean-up : efforts and of course 24-bit digital : remastering. The results speak for : themselves. : : :  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Martin Lowrie on December 5, 2008, 7:27 pm, in reply to "Re: But you love me Daddy" 79.70.120.74 Hello all, Its been a while since I last posted here,but I read with interest that some of the VoiceMaster recording have been released here in the UK in compilation form. I was thinking that with the interest that the recording might generate perhaps Voice Masters could get their own cds distributed as I am sure most retailers(HMV,Woolworths and the major supermarkets) would accept them as package. I am sure that some sort of deal could be struck with a distribution company over here. Best Wishes Martin Lowrie  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Larry Jordan on December 5, 2008, 8:16 pm, in reply to "Re: But you love me Daddy" 69.66.111.56 The master tape of that song was later found -- including the original version where Dottie Dillard had cut a "guide" vocal and then little Steve Moore was brought in to replace her singing. This was very unusual in those days because they normally did not sing to tracks -- meaning the standard way of doing things was for everybody to be in the studio at the same time. I am not sure why RCA did not replace the bad acetate with the master once it was found, but since their overdub was orchestrated and recorded to fit with the acetate, it might have been problematic to make it match the master.  Post a Response

Re: But you love me Daddy Posted by Dave Cole on December 6, 2008, 3:21 pm, in reply to "Re: But you love me Daddy" 86.16.174.48 Yes, your probably right. It would have been almost impossible to sync the newly discovered master up to the new overdubs. It can be done very easily with todays technology though, although no one at RCA (or whatever it is called these days) would be bothered to do it. But does this leave the possibility open for the wonderful VM and Larry to maybe remix and overdub this far better master? I hope so. But then, how about replacing the little boy singer with someone from today's generation of 5 to 10 year olds? If so who would be a suitable replacement? Does anyone have anybody in mind? Dave Cole Yateley UK --Previous Message-- : : The master tape of that song was later found : -- including the original version where : Dottie Dillard had cut a "guide" : vocal and then little Steve Moore was : brought in to replace her singing. This was : very unusual in those days because they : normally did not sing to tracks -- meaning : the standard way of doing things was for : everybody to be in the studio at the same : time. : : I am not sure why RCA did not replace the : bad acetate with the master once it was : found, but since their overdub was : orchestrated and recorded to fit with the : acetate, it might have been problematic to : make it match the master. :  Post a Response

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