Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 12:33 pm 72.144.17.123
In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me to Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently divorced, having married at 20, bore three kids, buried two, returned my ex to her mother, with a black-coat black-hat background, living in Jerusalem. By the time I had finished the two books my epiphany was complete. I recognised the Jerusalem characters, I even have a picture of myself with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me that he had found this website. Imagine my surprise. There are two more volumes to the quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on this website and frankly, none of you get it. Perhaps its because none of you were in Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW name, you are the furthest from getting it! What EW did for me was take me from the ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a post-modern Biblical character who has changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had transcended the experience to such an extant that EW would be proud to know that he had so succeeded in creating change that the initial work he penned had taken on a life of its own, and had surpassed his imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in Jerusalem...
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Anne on August 31, 2007, 1:19 pm, in reply to "Shalom from Jerusalem!" 211.26.193.93
Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we don't get it.
In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean many things to many people, so whether we have to be stoned to get them, I must admit I have had some insights when stoned on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I discovered as soon as I am straight.
Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for me, but maybe one day I will be able to accomplish this.
Anne
--Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 1:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
Most of the postings I have read are literary, comparing EW to this or that author, to this or that work. ST & JP are beyond literary comparisons. They are indeed Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully grasped outside the influence of this Holy City, straight or stoned. I invite you to Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I have, to live the experience.
--Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : :
Well, most of us who post here are book lovers first and foremost so we see Whittemore's books in that context. I agree that you can't compare Whittemore to other writers - he is one of a kind - very special.
I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - it's one of the things I dream of accomplishing in my life before I die.
--Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 2:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
Perhaps therein lies the experiential difference. The postings of readers vs. the posting of a character borne of the work itself. My invitation is not literary, its real, as real as the characters in EW's books. If you can get yourself to an airport you can get to Jerusalem. Its that simple.
--Previous Message-- : Well, most of us who post here are book lovers : first and foremost so we see Whittemore's : books in that context. I agree that you : can't compare Whittemore to other writers - : he is one of a kind - very special. : : I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - : it's one of the things I dream of : accomplishing in my life before I die. : : : --Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are : literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : : : :
--Previous Message-- : Perhaps therein lies the experiential : difference. The postings of readers vs. the : posting of a character borne of the work : itself. My invitation is not literary, its : real, as real as the characters in EW's : books. If you can get yourself to an airport : you can get to Jerusalem. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : Well, most of us who post here are book : lovers : first and foremost so we see Whittemore's : books in that context. I agree that you : can't compare Whittemore to other writers - : he is one of a kind - very special. : : I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - : it's one of the things I dream of : accomplishing in my life before I die. : : : --Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are : literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : : : : : :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 3:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
So when can we expect you? I'll meet you at the airport.
--Previous Message-- : Point taken. : : --Previous Message-- : Perhaps therein lies the experiential : difference. The postings of readers vs. the : posting of a character borne of the work : itself. My invitation is not literary, its : real, as real as the characters in EW's : books. If you can get yourself to an airport : you can get to Jerusalem. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : Well, most of us who post here are book : lovers : first and foremost so we see Whittemore's : books in that context. I agree that you : can't compare Whittemore to other writers - : he is one of a kind - very special. : : I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - : it's one of the things I dream of : accomplishing in my life before I die. : : : --Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are : literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : : : : : : : :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 3:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
Its like this; you host Jerusalem Dreaming w/o having been to Jerusalem. You can't imagine how much more it will mean to you being here, re-reading it here. Its like all the pastors and preachers, priests and ministers who pretend to preach the word of G-d w/o having ever experienced it themselves, w/o having ever stepped foot in Jerusalem. You can't imagine how much more real it is then your wildest fantasy of what its all about. You CAN NOT understand ST & JP w/o being here. Just as you CAN NOT understand the Bible w/o being here, no matter how much academic/literary/theological reading you have done, no matter how many degrees or ordinations you have. Its that simple.
--Previous Message-- : So when can we expect you? I'll meet you at : the airport. : : : : --Previous Message-- : Point taken. : : --Previous Message-- : Perhaps therein lies the experiential : difference. The postings of readers vs. the : posting of a character borne of the work : itself. My invitation is not literary, its : real, as real as the characters in EW's : books. If you can get yourself to an airport : you can get to Jerusalem. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : Well, most of us who post here are book : lovers : first and foremost so we see Whittemore's : books in that context. I agree that you : can't compare Whittemore to other writers - : he is one of a kind - very special. : : I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - : it's one of the things I dream of : accomplishing in my life before I die. : : : --Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are : literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
I created the Jerusalem Dreaming site back in 2001, to address the lack of any information on Whittemore and books anywhere on the web. Sinai Tapestry knocked me for six, when I first read it back in the late 70s and I have read all the novels many times and still find them enthralling.
Of course it would be interesting to read them in Jerusalem, but I am not a religious person at all and not easily influenced by places, no matter how venerable they are. I will get to Jerusalem in my own time and pace.
I appreciate your urging me to get there post haste, but I have other things to do with my life which absorb me for the time being.
--Previous Message-- : Its like this; you host Jerusalem Dreaming w/o : having been to Jerusalem. You can't imagine : how much more it will mean to you being : here, re-reading it here. Its like all the : pastors and preachers, priests and ministers : who pretend to preach the word of G-d w/o : having ever experienced it themselves, w/o : having ever stepped foot in Jerusalem. You : can't imagine how much more real it is then : your wildest fantasy of what its all about. : You CAN NOT understand ST & JP w/o being : here. Just as you CAN NOT understand the : Bible w/o being here, no matter how much : academic/literary/theological reading you : have done, no matter how many degrees or : ordinations you have. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : So when can we expect you? I'll meet you at : the airport. : : : : --Previous Message-- : Point taken. : : --Previous Message-- : Perhaps therein lies the experiential : difference. The postings of readers vs. the : posting of a character borne of the work : itself. My invitation is not literary, its : real, as real as the characters in EW's : books. If you can get yourself to an airport : you can get to Jerusalem. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : Well, most of us who post here are book : lovers : first and foremost so we see Whittemore's : books in that context. I agree that you : can't compare Whittemore to other writers - : he is one of a kind - very special. : : I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - : it's one of the things I dream of : accomplishing in my life before I die. : : : --Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are : literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 4:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
Knocked me for six? Is that an Aussie expression? Not religious? Not moved by Jerusalem? My dear Anne, neither I nor EW OBM (of blessed memory) believe that. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
--Previous Message-- : I created the Jerusalem Dreaming site back in : 2001, to address the lack of any information : on Whittemore and books anywhere on the web. : Sinai Tapestry knocked me for six, when I : first read it back in the late 70s and I : have read all the novels many times and : still find them enthralling. : : Of course it would be interesting to read : them in Jerusalem, but I am not a religious : person at all and not easily influenced by : places, no matter how venerable they are. I : will get to Jerusalem in my own time and : pace. : : I appreciate your urging me to get there : post haste, but I have other things to do : with my life which absorb me for the time : being. : : --Previous Message-- : Its like this; you host Jerusalem Dreaming : w/o : having been to Jerusalem. You can't imagine : how much more it will mean to you being : here, re-reading it here. Its like all the : pastors and preachers, priests and ministers : who pretend to preach the word of G-d w/o : having ever experienced it themselves, w/o : having ever stepped foot in Jerusalem. You : can't imagine how much more real it is then : your wildest fantasy of what its all about. : You CAN NOT understand ST & JP w/o being : here. Just as you CAN NOT understand the : Bible w/o being here, no matter how much : academic/literary/theological reading you : have done, no matter how many degrees or : ordinations you have. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : So when can we expect you? I'll meet you at : the airport. : : : : --Previous Message-- : Point taken. : : --Previous Message-- : Perhaps therein lies the experiential : difference. The postings of readers vs. the : posting of a character borne of the work : itself. My invitation is not literary, its : real, as real as the characters in EW's : books. If you can get yourself to an airport : you can get to Jerusalem. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : Well, most of us who post here are book : lovers : first and foremost so we see Whittemore's : books in that context. I agree that you : can't compare Whittemore to other writers - : he is one of a kind - very special. : : I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - : it's one of the things I dream of : accomplishing in my life before I die. : : : --Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are : literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
Knocked for six is an Aussie expression and no doubt comes from the game of cricket. It means to be overwhelmingly surprised by something.
I won't know if I am moved by Jerusalem until I get there. I was thinking of the time I went to New York. Great city yes, but I wasn't as overawed by it as I thought I would be.
--Previous Message-- : Knocked me for six? Is that an Aussie : expression? Not religious? Not moved by : Jerusalem? My dear Anne, neither I nor EW : OBM (of blessed memory) believe that. : Otherwise we wouldn't be having this : discussion. : : --Previous Message-- : I created the Jerusalem Dreaming site back : in : 2001, to address the lack of any information : on Whittemore and books anywhere on the web. : Sinai Tapestry knocked me for six, when I : first read it back in the late 70s and I : have read all the novels many times and : still find them enthralling. : : Of course it would be interesting to read : them in Jerusalem, but I am not a religious : person at all and not easily influenced by : places, no matter how venerable they are. I : will get to Jerusalem in my own time and : pace. : : I appreciate your urging me to get there : post haste, but I have other things to do : with my life which absorb me for the time : being. : : --Previous Message-- : Its like this; you host Jerusalem Dreaming : w/o : having been to Jerusalem. You can't imagine : how much more it will mean to you being : here, re-reading it here. Its like all the : pastors and preachers, priests and ministers : who pretend to preach the word of G-d w/o : having ever experienced it themselves, w/o : having ever stepped foot in Jerusalem. You : can't imagine how much more real it is then : your wildest fantasy of what its all about. : You CAN NOT understand ST & JP w/o being : here. Just as you CAN NOT understand the : Bible w/o being here, no matter how much : academic/literary/theological reading you : have done, no matter how many degrees or : ordinations you have. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : So when can we expect you? I'll meet you at : the airport. : : : : --Previous Message-- : Point taken. : : --Previous Message-- : Perhaps therein lies the experiential : difference. The postings of readers vs. the : posting of a character borne of the work : itself. My invitation is not literary, its : real, as real as the characters in EW's : books. If you can get yourself to an airport : you can get to Jerusalem. Its that simple. : : --Previous Message-- : Well, most of us who post here are book : lovers : first and foremost so we see Whittemore's : books in that context. I agree that you : can't compare Whittemore to other writers - : he is one of a kind - very special. : : I would love to visit Jerusalem some time - : it's one of the things I dream of : accomplishing in my life before I die. : : : --Previous Message-- : Most of the postings I have read are : literary, : comparing EW to this or that author, to this : or that work. ST & JP are beyond : literary comparisons. They are indeed : Jerusalem Experiences that can not be fully : grasped outside the influence of this Holy : City, straight or stoned. I invite you to : Jerusalem to relive the experience, or as I : have, to live the experience. : : --Previous Message-- : Quite a story! I'm not sure though, how we : don't get it. : : In my humble opinion Whittemore's books mean : many things to many people, so whether we : have to be stoned to get them, I must : admit I have had some insights when stoned : on pot, but tend to forget whatever it was I : discovered as soon as I am straight. : : Perhaps, as you say, one really has to read : the books in Jerusalem. It's a long way for : me, but maybe one day I will be able to : accomplish this. : : Anne : : --Previous Message-- : In 1983 my soul brother Bari introduced me : to : Sinai Tapestry and shortly thereafter to : Jerusalem Poker. I was 23, recently : divorced, having married at 20, bore three : kids, buried two, returned my ex to her : mother, with a black-coat black-hat : background, living in Jerusalem. By the time : I had finished the two books my epiphany was : complete. I recognised the Jerusalem : characters, I even have a picture of myself : with Haj Harun, the 3000 year old Defender : of Jerusalem, who always lost. No kidding. : For REAL. A few weeks ago Bari emailed me : that he had found this website. Imagine my : surprise. There are two more volumes to the : quartet! I can't wait to read them! Now for : my 2 cents. I read many of the postings on : this website and frankly, none of you get : it. Perhaps its because none of you were in : Jerusalem when you read ST or JP, or if you : were, you weren't smoking hash. And brother : Angevin Arbalest, though you have a most EW : name, you are the furthest from getting it! : What EW did for me was take me from the : ghettoes of Exile and transformed me into a : post-modern Biblical character who has : changed the future of Jerusalem. In 2003 I : re-read Sinai Tapestry, wanting to : experience it a 2nd time 20 years later. : Amazingly I was deeply disappointed. I had : transcended the experience to such an extant : that EW would be proud to know that he had : so succeeded in creating change that the : initial work he penned had taken on a life : of its own, and had surpassed his : imagination. Biblical garments and Biblical : weddings, Holy Half Shekels and Ketoret, : Techelet and more. The Holy Temple in : Jerusalem... : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 3:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
If you come to Jerusalem you won't have to wait till you have Alzeimer's to experience it like the first time you read it!
Alzeimers doesn't run in my family. I believe I will still have my mental faculties well into my 80s.
--Previous Message-- : If you come to Jerusalem you won't have to : wait till you have Alzeimer's to experience : it like the first time you read it! :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 4:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
I was referencing your First Impressions of 2005.
--Previous Message-- : Alzeimers doesn't run in my family. I believe : I will still have my mental faculties well : into my 80s. : : --Previous Message-- : If you come to Jerusalem you won't have to : wait till you have Alzeimer's to experience : it like the first time you read it! : : :
Perhaps you are right. I will look forward to experience when and if it happens, though self consciously going about the matter may not work.
--Previous Message-- : I was referencing your First Impressions of : 2005. : : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Alzeimers doesn't run in my family. I : believe : I will still have my mental faculties well : into my 80s. : : --Previous Message-- : If you come to Jerusalem you won't have to : wait till you have Alzeimer's to experience : it like the first time you read it! : : : : :
Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!
Posted by Beged Ivri on August 31, 2007, 4:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Shalom from Jerusalem!" 72.144.17.123
A quite un-Whittemorian conclusion.
--Previous Message-- : Perhaps you are right. I will look forward to : experience when and if it happens, though : self consciously going about the matter may : not work. : : : --Previous Message-- : I was referencing your First Impressions of : 2005. : : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Alzeimers doesn't run in my family. I : believe : I will still have my mental faculties well : into my 80s. : : --Previous Message-- : If you come to Jerusalem you won't have to : wait till you have Alzeimer's to experience : it like the first time you read it! : : : : : : :
I don't believe that. Whittemore himself was sceptic - evidenced by the description of the Sinai Bible in Sinai Tapestry. The books, however, are a love letter to Jerusalem. He was very taken with the place, according to people who knew him.
--Previous Message-- : A quite un-Whittemorian conclusion. : : --Previous Message-- : Perhaps you are right. I will look forward : to : experience when and if it happens, though : self consciously going about the matter may : not work. : : : --Previous Message-- : I was referencing your First Impressions of : 2005. : : : : : : --Previous Message-- : Alzeimers doesn't run in my family. I : believe : I will still have my mental faculties well : into my 80s. : : --Previous Message-- : If you come to Jerusalem you won't have to : wait till you have Alzeimer's to experience : it like the first time you read it! : : : : : : : : :
