yeah I was leary of picking those guys cause of new teams so tried to stay away from them and did consider dinger and Abrose before I came here for help . Sux when I can only pick the top 10 drivers in points last year, twice for the whole yr and any of the other drivers 3 times only. Makes it hard trying to decide every yr this is my 4th yr doing it at hubby's work. He never does it hes not into nascar Thanks again! I appreciate it.