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Posted by Jared I agree with everything you stated. I'm still unsure what made the Colorado brain trust give the closer job to Chacon instead of Fuentes, as Fuentes had remarkable numbers last year. My feeling is the organization is unwilling to grant Fuentes the opportunity to close do to the lefty closer stigma...and I also feel that there's a pretty decent chance Chacon will lose the job at some point, and Fuentes will be there to pick up the pieces. Jared --Previous Message--
on 5/14/2004, 9:28 pm, in reply to "The Rockies Bullpen- Closing in on Reality"
Hey Craig,
: To: Colorado Rockies fans and Ron Shandler
: Help me understand something. There are two
: pitchers in the Colorado bullpen.
: Pitcher #1 is a closer. Pitcher #2 is a
: middle reliever. Could Pitcher #2
: be a closer? You make the call.
: Pitcher #1 has the following stats
: ERA HOLDS SV W WHIP
: 4.378 0 8 0 1.540
: K/9 K/B HR/9 BPV
: 10.98 3.75 2.20 67
:
: Pitcher #2 has the following stats
: Check out the ERA and WHIPs for a Rockies
: pitcher!!!
: ERA HOLDS SV W WHIP
: 2.700 6 0 0 0.900
:
: K/9 K/B HR/9 BPV
: 12.18 3.6 2.00 107
:
: Pitcher #1 is a right-hander who failed as a
: starter.
: Pitcher #2 is a left-hander who has always
: been a middle reliever in the majors.
: Left-handers typically aren't closers.
: Notable exceptions: Billy Wagner, Eddie
: Guardado, Arthur Rhodes...
: Now, I'm not saying that I know more than a
: major league manager. But, can we
: agree that Pitcher #2 has a better ERA and
: WHIP than Pitcher #1?
: Pitcher #1's ERA and WHIP are not as good as
: pitcher #2's in nearly the same amount
: of innings- Pitcher #1 has 12.3 innings
: (season-to-date) and Pitcher #2 has 13.3
: innings. However, Pitcher #1 has 8 saves.
: So, he's helped his cause with a dominant
: K/9 rate and decent command, despite average
: ERA and WHIP.
: What I'm wondering is why hasn't pitcher #2
: gotten at least one or two save
: opportunities? Does pitcher #2 not have the
: proper makeup to be a closer? Has he
: failed in save situations?
: Let's look at last year...
: Pitcher #1- did not close last year. He
: started.
: 2003 Stats- Pitcher #1
: W L SV ERA WHIP
: 6 11 0 5.27 1.46
: K/9 K/BB HR/9
: 6.2 1.4 1.5
: Pitcher #2- had a 67% S%, which is the rate
: of how many saves he converted successfully.
: He had an 84% Relief Efficiency rating which
: is simply (Wins + Saves + Holds)/
: (Wins + Losses + SaveOpps + Holds).
: According to Ron, the minimum for effective
: closers is 80%, which Pitcher #2 has.
: 2003 Stats- Pitcher #2
: W L SV ERA WHIP
: 4 4 4 2.76 1.30
: K/9 K/BB HR/9
: 9.8 2.4 0.8
: These BPI's certainly seem closer-worthy.
: Yet, Pitcher #1 became the closer. Hmm...
: If we look at Ron's TOG rule for closers...
: Pitcher #1 has Talent, Opportunity, and
: Guile.
: Pitcher #2 has Talent, Has had little
: opportunity this year, and has Guile.
: In conclusion, because Pitcher #1 has 8 saves
: this year, the team has anointed him
: the closer, and he is a right-hander, he is
: the team's closer. Pitcher #2 does
: very well in his role as a lefty specialist.
: He has a phenonmenal WHIP and ERA for
: Colorado and he is a pillar in the community.
: Just kidding. So, he will continue
: in his role until Pitcher #1's role changes.
: I guess I'm passionate about this topic.
: Plus, my fantasy team needs saves and I have
: Pitcher
: #2.
: By the way, Pitcher #1 is Shawn Chacon and
: Pitcher #2 is Brian Fuentes.
: So Rockies fans, if Chacon fails, Fuentes is
: not such a bad option for saves.
: I look forward to hearing everyone's
: response.
:
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