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Difference between Age and Injury

Posted by SoxFan on 6/11/2003, 4:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell..."

Actually, I do see a need to distinguish between the impact of age and injury. With injury, like last year's problems for Edgar Martinez, the player can come back healthy either later in the year or the next year.
With age, Frank Thomas for one, you see a slow (sometimes rapid) decline with no real hope of "recovery" and return to former prowess.
I'm also reminded of Jim Rice's sudden decline which I attribute to lessening eyesight--there was no laser surgery at that time to help him, otherwise he might be in the HOF today.
--Previous Message--
: Why do I need to distinguish between them? The
: fact is, the older a player is, usually
: the more injury-prone, or at least they
: heal/recover more slowly from injury and
: even the inevitable wear-and-tear, so I
: see injury and age as going hand-in-hand,
: to a large degree.
: I could have mentioned the shoulder problem,
: although that's somewhat ancient history.
: And it would be pure speculation as to
: whether it's bothering him now, but didn't
: bother him at all the first month - I have
: no information to base that on.
: What is clear: the continued decline in his
: BPIs - which is what I addressed.
: If MRIs come up, we've got new facts - and
: your reaction is probably a good one, in
: that event.
:
: --Previous Message--
: "Bagwell's hot start this season masked
: the inevitable deterioration of skills at
: this age."
: How is it possible to distinguish between
: age-related deterioration and injury? All
: reports suggest Bagwell's shoulder has
: healed and is 100%; that may be true, but
: today's 100% is not equal to pre-injury
: 100%. Did you notice his throw from first
: to home on Tuesday night, as Matsui eluded
: Ensberg's tag at third and raced home?
: Bagwell might have dones just as well
: shot-putting it.
: My thought on Bagwell? I think the shoulder
: was as good as it was going to get coming
: out of spring training; it didn't bother
: him much the first month of the season,
: but now it's regressing again and
: interfering with his swing. I'd say WATCH
: Bagwell to see if he breaks out of the
: slump, but I SELL (perhaps HOLD in a
: keeper league) at first mention of an MRI.
: Your thoughts?
: :
:

Message Thread:

Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell... - Chris 6/11/2003, 10:32 am
- Re: Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell... - Allen@HQ 6/11/2003, 11:55 am
  - Re: Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell... - Chris 6/11/2003, 12:40 pm
    - Re: Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell... - Seb 6/11/2003, 1:33 pm
      - Re: Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell... - Orphan 6/11/2003, 2:41 pm
    - Re: Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell... - Allen@HQ 6/11/2003, 2:42 pm
  - Difference between Age and Injury - SoxFan 6/11/2003, 4:11 pm
- Re: Hirsch's Wed Analysis of Bagwell... - BillR 6/11/2003, 4:53 pm
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--Previous Message-- : Actually, I do see a need to distinguish : between the impact of age and injury. With : injury, like last year's problems for Edgar : Martinez, the player can come back healthy : either later in the year or the next year. : : With age, Frank Thomas for one, you see a : slow (sometimes rapid) decline with no real : hope of "recovery" and return to : former prowess. : : I'm also reminded of Jim Rice's sudden : decline which I attribute to lessening : eyesight--there was no laser surgery at that : time to help him, otherwise he might be in : the HOF today. : : --Previous Message-- : Why do I need to distinguish between them? : The : fact is, the older a player is, usually : the more injury-prone, or at least they : heal/recover more slowly from injury and : even the inevitable wear-and-tear, so I : see injury and age as going hand-in-hand, : to a large degree. : I could have mentioned the shoulder problem, : although that's somewhat ancient history. : And it would be pure speculation as to : whether it's bothering him now, but didn't : bother him at all the first month - I have : no information to base that on. : What is clear: the continued decline in his : BPIs - which is what I addressed. : If MRIs come up, we've got new facts - and : your reaction is probably a good one, in : that event. : : --Previous Message-- : "Bagwell's hot start this season masked : the inevitable deterioration of skills at : this age." : How is it possible to distinguish between : age-related deterioration and injury? All : reports suggest Bagwell's shoulder has : healed and is 100%; that may be true, but : today's 100% is not equal to pre-injury : 100%. Did you notice his throw from first : to home on Tuesday night, as Matsui eluded : Ensberg's tag at third and raced home? : Bagwell might have dones just as well : shot-putting it. : My thought on Bagwell? I think the shoulder : was as good as it was going to get coming : out of spring training; it didn't bother : him much the first month of the season, : but now it's regressing again and : interfering with his swing. I'd say WATCH : Bagwell to see if he breaks out of the : slump, but I SELL (perhaps HOLD in a : keeper league) at first mention of an MRI. : Your thoughts? : : : : :

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