Posted by morgan on 6/6/2009, 19:26:42

I was looking at a Com-pac dealer website today and noticed that the Compac 23 has 8 stays in all..looking closer I noticed that there is in fact an extra set of lower shrouds that travel down at an almost diagonal angle from their tangs at mid-mast to the chainplates somewhere mid-cockpit I'd say. I am wondering if there are any folks who have one of these or have sailed on one with this arrangement and if so...what are the pro's and cons? The mast will be more stable and allow better sail shape in some cases but could excess stability yield drawbacks as well ..I also wonder if they "get in the way" sometimes...afterall...a small sailboat already has a lot of standing rigging that must be skirted around frequently....I'm curious because my 1983 Hunter 20 has a very long mast (29'+) and seems almost flimsy at times because it's not particularly thick. I have toyed with the possibilty of adding some kind of additional stays...Thanks, Morgan in Sarasota

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Posted by dave scobie on 6/6/2009, 23:21:13, in reply to "pro's and cons of having extra lower shrouds as seen on Compac 23's?"

>lower shrouds that travel down at an almost >diagonal angle from their tangs at mid-mast >to the chainplates somewhere mid-cockpit that doesn't make sense as how would one run downwind if the boom could only swing a short distance? ... not even outside the cockpit? i would think the designer, if smart, designs in 'flex' of the mast by choosing an appropriate extrusion thickness in combination to the stays and shrouds. some boats don't have stays/shrouds and the mast flexing is a designed way to 'reef' the main and de-power the rig. if you want to see 'flex' look at a Nonsuch in a blow! in know with montgomery's the M15 has a 'loose' rig. the M17 is similar. i've also read of folks overtightening the rig and causing damage to the chainplates in the Mboats. i recommend talking with the currently builder of your craft about your concerns. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA

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Posted by Morgan on 6/7/2009, 21:19:09, in reply to "Re: pro's and cons of having extra lower shrouds as seen on Compac 23's?"

Hmmm..I could be mistaken..what I saw was from a com-pac dealer website called gisails.com who are based in Punta Gorda Florida...I am sure they mentioned 8 stays in all on the specs for this model on the website so I tried to closely watch the demo video of the Com-pac 23 to see where the extra stays we're exactly. Seemed to be two strange diagonal lines coming rearward and down from mid-mast tangs but it was hard to tell...I'll have to take another look...

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Posted by dave scobie on 6/7/2009, 22:05:56, in reply to "Re: pro's and cons of having extra lower shrouds as seen on Compac 23's?"

the boat in the video is flying, what looks like, a 100% to 110% with a very high clew. i see a line that looks like you describe ... the jib sheet.

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Posted by Morgan on 6/8/2009, 10:25:34, in reply to "looks like the jib sheets to me"

I'm sure your right...they couldn't be anything else...but does anyone know where the extra shrouds (or fore and aft stays)would be to bring a total of 8 stays as they advertise?Wait...ok..maybe there is another forestay like ona schooner rig..and if you count the topping lift as a "stay" there would be a total of four "fore and aft-type stays" technically...then add the two upper shrouds and and the two lower shrouds and you get eight...that must be how they arrived at that number...

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Posted by Rich Bone on 6/10/2009, 6:28:41, in reply to "pro's and cons of having extra lower shrouds as seen on Compac 23's?"

Looks like it has a set of double lowers. See the chainplates in some of the pics on the company website. Rich

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Posted by Sam on 7/27/2009, 20:00:26, in reply to "Re: pro's and cons of having extra lower shrouds as seen on Compac 23's?"

OK... 8 stays. 1. Head Stay 2. Back Stay 3 and 4. Forward lower shrouds (from front chainplate to spreader base) 5 and 6. Upper shroud (from middle chainplate to top of mast over end of spreader) 7 and 8. Aft lower shroud (from rear chainplate to spreader base) I have a cp 23/III. good boat.

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