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From Sue Storm to She-Hulk to Stripperella and everything in between!

Posted by vanhelsin on 5/8/2009, 11:02 pm, in reply to "I would disagree"
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Women in comics have a long and varied history, as does the history of women's rights in the Western world. In the Golden Age, obviously there was Wonder Woman and a slew of other Golden Age ladies who were strong and dashing and sexy. But then a lot of female characters were relegated to hang ons for the male characters, that and nothing more. Modern audiences may wince when they read Silver Age FANTASTIC FOUR issues and see Sue Storm swoon like a Victorian lady out of an issue of PUNCH, but even then female characters were starting to break free of the damsel in distress trope.

Yes, no one's going to doubt that the feminism of Marvel in the 70's was in your face and preachy(Lady Liberators and male chauvinist pigs up against the wall, anyone?). I believe even Jim Shooter agreed that Ms. Marvel was a propaganda character that was created for an agenda and nothing more..until Claremont fleshed her out into a multi-faceted and complex character that we have today.

That's where we are now, a multi faceted(actually two) female characters that are complex and unique. One represents light and one represents darkness.

Message Thread:

How Important Is Feminism 2 Ms. Marvel? - Hyperion322 5/7/2009, 10:54 am
- Re: How Important Is Feminism 2 Ms. Marvel? - rawhidekid 7/1/2009, 1:33 pm
- Ms. Marvel fights for 'Justice FOR ALL' & stands against ALL forms of Evil - Cascadyan 5/13/2009, 9:48 pm
- Honestly, don't give a rat's @$$ >>> - DGTrixie 5/12/2009, 2:32 pm
  - 70's Idealism about This Woman, This Warrior... - vanhelsin 5/12/2009, 11:59 pm
    - again, Vanhelsin with the kindness of 1000 unicorns! LOL!!! nm - DGTrixie 5/13/2009, 1:31 pm
    - What's a Sham-wow? [nt] :) - Kieran Frost 5/13/2009, 9:07 am
      - Watch this video....... >>>> (msg) - DGTrixie 5/13/2009, 1:34 pm
        
        HA! Okay, now vanhelsin's earlier comment makes more sense... I LOVE IT! Thank-you DGTrixie [nt] - Kieran Frost 5/13/2009, 4:11 pm
        
        You're welcome! : ) (nm) - DGTrixie 5/13/2009, 7:41 pm
- My thoughts... - Kieran Frost 5/7/2009, 11:46 am
  - Re: My response ... - Hyperion322 5/8/2009, 6:24 am
    - I would disagree - Kieran Frost 5/8/2009, 7:37 am
      - Re: Rebuttal - Hyperion322 5/9/2009, 12:39 am
        
        Re-Rebuttal :P [spoiler... maybe?] - Kieran Frost 5/9/2009, 11:57 am
        
        Re: Great response! - Hyperion322 5/11/2009, 7:34 pm
        
        Thank-you good sir. Grab a cup of tea, my rebuttle is long [EDIT: so long it needs two part :P] - Kieran Frost 5/12/2009, 10:34 am
        
        The struggles are far from over... - vanhelsin 5/12/2009, 7:16 pm
        
        I consider myself optimistic, rather than naive :P [SPOILERS] - Kieran Frost 5/13/2009, 9:01 am
        
        PART II - the reason why.... - Kieran Frost 5/12/2009, 10:34 am
        
        Re: Other women's POV of Ms. Marvel - Hyperion322 5/15/2009, 11:38 am
        
        What you are asking for is NOT equality! - Kieran Frost 5/15/2009, 3:16 pm
        
        Re: Dear Kieran - Hyperion322 5/15/2009, 8:57 pm
        
        Marvel Divas [SPOILERS] - Kieran Frost 5/17/2009, 6:09 am
        
        A superpowered "Sex and the City"... - vanhelsin 5/17/2009, 11:55 am
        
        Re: Fingers crossed there will be SOME depth *nt* - Hyperion322 5/19/2009, 8:06 pm
        
        I much prefer, "Ms. Marvel vs. The King In Yellow".... - vanhelsin 5/19/2009, 10:46 pm
        
        Exactly! - Kieran Frost 5/18/2009, 2:36 am
      - From Sue Storm to She-Hulk to Stripperella and everything in between! - vanhelsin 5/8/2009, 11:02 pm
        
        Don't forget "the Rape of Ms. Marvel" - Kieran Frost 5/9/2009, 12:10 pm
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--Previous Message-- : Women in comics have a long and varied : history, as does the history of women's : rights in the Western world. In the Golden : Age, obviously there was Wonder Woman and a : slew of other Golden Age ladies who were : strong and dashing and sexy. But then a lot : of female characters were relegated to hang : ons for the male characters, that and : nothing more. Modern audiences may wince : when they read Silver Age FANTASTIC FOUR : issues and see Sue Storm swoon like a : Victorian lady out of an issue of PUNCH, but : even then female characters were starting to : break free of the damsel in distress trope. : : Yes, no one's going to doubt that the : feminism of Marvel in the 70's was in your : face and preachy(Lady Liberators and male : chauvinist pigs up against the wall, : anyone?). I believe even Jim Shooter agreed : that Ms. Marvel was a propaganda character : that was created for an agenda and nothing : more..until Claremont fleshed her out into a : multi-faceted and complex character that we : have today. : : That's where we are now, a multi : faceted(actually two) female characters that : are complex and unique. One represents : light and one represents darkness. :

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