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Re: Jesus the Son or God?
Posted by Odon Sabo on July 12, 2008, 5:24 pm, in reply to "Re: Jesus the Son or God?"
Thank you for your input, and may God bless you all.
TRINITY
The doctrine of the Trinity is implicit rather than explicit. (Unger's Bible Dictionary)
Dear friends, after all these years of searching for the truth in Scripture, I have found that even the most highly revered Biblical Scholars of all time resort to mere guesswork when it comes to subjects that can be understood only with the ‘Spiritual’ mind. They use scripture out of context, to ‘imply’ on something that is NOT there, and then they build on those implications, and add a couple of hundred years to that and you have ‘The Trinity’.
Just look ate the ‘theory of evolution’ and how it is implied in the new school books as if it was ‘fact’. This is because Satan knows that ‘a little leaven leavens the whole lump’, so by removing the word; ‘theory’ or at least limit its use, over very short time it becomes ‘fact’ in the minds of all who walk in darkness. But NOT to those who seek to know the truth.
Look at these verses;
1 Tim 3:16
“16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.”
The words; “God was manifested in the flesh” is used by scholars to somehow ‘prove’ that Jesus is God. But to us who are spiritually minded, we understand that ‘manifested’ means something that is ‘obvious, clear to see or understand’. Jesus came to help us (those who desire to) understand something that is un-comprehendible and unseen, by making it ‘clear to see’.
Since “no one has seen God” and cannot be seen by man, no name can describe Him, so who better then the one who came out of Him; ‘The Only Begotten of the Father’ do this work? He was found to be the perfect manifestation of God to man.
Look at this: Heb 5:7-9
7 In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God, who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him. 8 But even though he was God's Son, he learned through his sufferings to be obedient. 9 When he was made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him,
How can anyone squeeze ‘trinity’ into the meaning of these verses; “8 But even though he was God's Son, he learned through his sufferings to be obedient”? If the Son is God, why would ‘God’ be obedient to himself? And to think that God needs to ‘learn’ something ‘through his suffering’ is ludicrous.
Jesus was, is and always will be Jesus, and NOT some triune part of Himself. This, my friends, will leave God as the great ‘I am THAT I Am’, a God with no name.
When Jesus went back to His Father, he remained Jesus the ‘Only Begotten’ of the Father. He did not ‘melt’ back somehow into God (as many describe ‘trinity’ as being ‘water, ice and steam’).
Just as Eve remained Eve, and when a man marries a woman and consummates that marriage, they don’t blend into each other, even though Jesus said; “The two shall become one”.
Be careful, Jesus is NOT another God, and when he says; “I and the Father are one”, proves that. And so does many, many other scripture verses. As I said before, God is like the sun, and Jesus is the moon that reflects the light of the sun. God is God and Jesus is happy to remain the one reflecting Gods (His Fathers) light to all. And because of this; “All things have been delivered to Me by My Father.” Matt 11:27 An honor well earned.
Here is a good one; Luke 20:41-44
And He said to them, "How can they say that the Christ is the Son of David? 42 Now David himself said in the Book of Psalms: 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, 43 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."' 44 Therefore David calls Him 'Lord'; how is He then his Son?"
NKJV
Jesus is the Son of the Most High God and will remain His Son. Let’s open our eyes and see; “The Lord (God the Father) said to my Lord (Jesus the only begotten Son of God) sit at my right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
You must start with a ‘new wine bottle’ to be able to understand all this ‘new wine’ (Spiritual knowledge), otherwise, Jesus said that the old bottle (your head with your old physical thinking) will burst.
In Jesus name:
Odon
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November 2007
17-18 Rodrigues ..................... Mauritius
24-25 Praslin Island ................Seychelles
December 2007
8-10 Nairobi ........................... Kenya
March 2008
7-9 Guam ............................ Guam
13-16 Cape #1 ................... South Africa
14-16 Okhandja ...................... Namibia
15-16 Agusan ...................... Philippines
15-16 Bohol ........................ Philippines
15-16 Bukidnon .................... Philippines
15-16 Iloilo ........................ Philippines
15-16 Saipan .......................... Saipan
20-23 Bloemfontein ............... South Africa
20-23 Cape #2 ................... South Africa
21-23 San Juan .................... Philippines
21-23 South Leyte ................. Philippines
22-23 Bayog ....................... Philippines
22-23 Davao ....................... Philippines
22-23 Ilocos ....................... Philippines
22-23 Lal-lo ........................ Philippines
27-30 East London................ South Africa
27-30 Port Elizabeth .............. South Africa
28-30 Dumingag ................... Philippines
29-30 Baguio ...................... Philippines
29-30 Cauayan .................... Philippines
29-30 Cotabato .................... Philippines
29-30 Mindoro ..................... Philippines
29-30 North Leyte ................. Philippines
April 2008
3-6 Durban ..................... South Africa
3-6 Pretoria #1................. South Africa
4-6 Ozamis ...................... Philippines
4-6 Rosales...................... Philippines
5-6 Cebu ........................ Philippines
5-6 Zambales ................... Philippines
10-13 Cavite ....................... Philippines
10-13 Pretoria #2................. South Africa
11-13 Ixopo (Zulu) ............... South Africa
15-16 Pretoria (Workers) ......... South Africa
18-20 Hokkaido ......................... Japan
18-20 Okinawa ......................... Japan
18-20 Fenglin .......................... Taiwan
18-20 Ilan ............................. Taiwan
18-21 Pretoria #3................. South Africa
24-27 Tokyo ............................ Japan
25-27 Hiroshima ........................ Japan
25-27 Pretoria Zulu ............... South Africa
25-27 Laiyi ............................. Taiwan
26-28 Fianarantsoa ............... Madagascar
May 2008
1-4 Osaka ............................ Japan
1-4 Antananarivo #1 ........... Madagascar
1-4 Casa Grande, AZ ................... USA
1-4 Buttonwillow #1, CA ............... USA
2-4 Wulai ............................ Taiwan
3-6 Staffordshire ................... England
3-6 Dunbartonshire #1............ Scotland
8-11 Seoul #1 ....................... S Korea
8-11 Wando ......................... S Korea
8-11 Buttonwillow #2, CA ............... USA
8-11 Santee, CA ......................... USA
9-12 Antananarivo #2 ........... Madagascar
10-13 Hambühren, Niedersachen .... Germany
10-13 Dunbartonshire #2............ Scotland
15-18 Jinhae #1 ...................... S Korea
15-18 Seoul #2 ....................... S Korea
15-18 Mountain Ranch #1, CA ........... USA
17-20 Somerset ....................... England
22-25 Dettingen, Württemberg ...... Germany
22-25 Jinhae #2 ...................... S Korea
22-25 Joo-am ......................... S Korea
22-25 Juneau, AK ......................... USA
22-25 Mountain Ranch #2, CA ........... USA
24-27 Lancashire ..................... England
24-27 Oxfordshire #1, Oxon. ......... England
29-6/1 Bonners Ferry, ID .................. USA
29-6/1 Chelan, WA ......................... USA
29-6/1 Walla Walla, WA .................... USA
31-6/3 Oxfordshire #2, Oxon. .........England
31-6/3 Cumbria ....................... Scotland
June 2008
5-8 Dunnville, ON .................. Canada
5-8 Seagrave, ON .................. Canada
5-8 Hotchkiss, CO ...................... USA
5-8 Post Falls, ID ....................... USA
5-8 Ronan, MT.......................... USA
5-8 Antioch, NE ......................... USA
12-15 Iron Bridge, ON ................ Canada
12-15 Richmond, QC .................. Canada
12-15 Parma, ID .......................... USA
12-15 Dagmar, MT ........................ USA
12-15 Riverton, UT ........................ USA
12-15 Chugwater, WY ..................... USA
13-15 Faroe Islands ................. Denmark
14-17 Cork .............................Ireland
14-17 Monaghan .......................Ireland
19-22 Woodstock, NB ................. Canada
19-22 Kegums........................... Latvia
19-22 Elizabeth #1, CO ................... USA
19-22 Devon, MT.......................... USA
19-22 Hermosa, SD ....................... USA
19-22 Cody, WY ........................... USA
21-24 Fermanagh ......................Ireland
21-24 Laois .............................Ireland
26-29 Mellowdale, AB ................. Canada
26-29 Napan, NB ...................... Canada
26-29 Smeaton, SK ................... Canada
26-29 Wisla ............................ Poland
26-29 Wasilla, AK ......................... USA
26-29 Elizabeth #2, CO ................... USA
26-29 Manhattan, MT ..................... USA
28-7/1 Antrim ...........................Ireland
28-7/1 Down ............................Ireland
July 2008
3-6 Greenshields, AB ............... Canada
3-6 Hythe, AB ...................... Canada
3-6 Prince George, BC .............. Canada
3-6 Ellershouse, NS ................. Canada
3-6 Emo, ON........................ Canada
3-6 Strathroy, ON .................. Canada
3-6 Vaasa ........................... Finland
4-6 Lisboa ......................... Portugal
10-13 Didsbury #1, AB ................ Canada
10-13 Salmon Arm, BC ................ Canada
10-13 Bowsman, MB .................. Canada
10-13 Almonte, ON ................... Canada
10-13 Theodore, SK ................... Canada
10-13 Stokke .......................... Norway
10-13 Mountainair #1, NM ................ USA
11-13 Langenfeld, Rheinland........ Germany
11-13 Hula ................ Papua New Guinea
12 Stratford, PE.................... Canada
12-15 Villigen ..................... Switzerland
17-20 Didsbury #2, AB ................ Canada
17-20 Portage La Prairie, MB .......... Canada
17-20 St. George's, NL ................ Canada
17-20 Aylesbury, SK................... Canada
17-20 Stockholm ...................... Sweden
17-20 Mountainair #2, NM ................ USA
18-20 Werda, Sachsen .............. Germany
19-20 Madang (Siar) ...... Papua New Guinea
19-21 Lillois ........................... Belgium
19-22 Donneloye .................. Switzerland
24-27 Brigus, NL ...................... Canada
24-27 Sønder Omme ................ Denmark
24-27 Putten #1 ................. Netherlands
24-27 Happy, TX .......................... USA
25-27 Otterbach, Pfalz .............. Germany
26-27 Wewak (Mushu Is) Papua New Guinea
26-29 Wahlendorf ................. Switzerland
27 Limbé ........................ Cameroon
31-8/3 Duncan, BC ..................... Canada
31-8/3 Glen Valley #1, BC ............. Canada
31-8/3 Putten #2 .................. Netherlands
31-8/3 Milford, NH ........................ USA
August 2008
1-3 Crete ............................ Greece
1-3 Honiara ............... Solomon Islands
2-4 Carema ............................ Italy
2-5 Chaintréauville .................. France
3 Monrovia ......................... Liberia
7-10 Glen Valley #2, BC .............. Canada
7-10 Athens/Inoi ..................... Greece
7-10 Seneca, IL ......................... USA
7-10 Freedom, NY ....................... USA
7-10 Quakertown, PA ................... USA
7-10 Milltown #1, WA ................... USA
7-10 Olympia #1, WA ................... USA
8-10 Rohozná ................ Czech Republic
8-10 Harare (Eng.) ................ Zimbabwe
8-11 Barcelona ......................... Spain
9-11 Petacciato .......................... Italy
10 Abidjan .....................Ivory Coast
14-17 Accra ............................. Ghana
14-17 Romania #1 .................. Romania
14-17 Shoals, IN .......................... USA
14-17 Altamont, NY ...................... USA
14-17 Yellow Springs, OH ................ USA
14-17 Saginaw #1, OR ................... USA
14-17 Downings, VA ...................... USA
14-17 Milltown #2, WA ................... USA
14-17 Olympia #2, WA ................... USA
15-17 Harare (Shona) .............. Zimbabwe
16-19 Madrid ............................ Spain
21-24 Kazakhstan #1 .............. Kazakhstan
21-24 Brownstown, IL .................... USA
21-24 Salvisa, KY ......................... USA
21-24 Vanderbilt, MI ..................... USA
21-24 Sharon, OH ........................ USA
21-24 Boring #1, OR ..................... USA
21-24 Saginaw #2, OR ................... USA
21-24 Newry, PA ......................... USA
22-24 Wien (Vienna) .................. Austria
22-24 Serima (Shona) .............. Zimbabwe
22-25 Romania #2 .................. Romania
23-24 Parakou ........................... Bénin
23-24 Agua Dulce, Veracruz ........... México
23-24 Baguida ........................... Togo
24 Cd. Juárez, Chihuahua .......... México
24 Torreón, Coahuila ............... México
28-31 Gbetagbo ......................... Bénin
28-31 Malcom, IA......................... USA
28-31 Mt Sterling, IL ..................... USA
28-31 McCordsville, IN ................... USA
28-31 Carsonville, MI ..................... USA
28-31 Boring #2, OR ..................... USA
28-31 Pulaski, VA ......................... USA
29-31 Kazakhstan #2 .............. Kazakhstan
29-31 Garangwe (Shona) ........... Zimbabwe
30-31 Cd. Meoqui, Chihuahua ......... México
31 Cd. Acuña, Coahuila ............ México
31 San Luis Potosí, SLP ............ México
September 2008
4-7 Rogers, AR ......................... USA
4-7 Madisonville, KY ................... USA
4-7 Alma, MI ........................... USA
4-7 Denton, NC ........................ USA
4-7 York, NE ........................... USA
5-7 Lagos ........................... Nigeria
5-7 Luwingu (Bemba) ............... Zambia
7 Jáuregui (Especial), NL ......... México
9 Jáuregui (Workers), NL ........ México
11-14 Boyden, IA ......................... USA
11-14 Marysville, KS ...................... USA
11-14 Hector, MN......................... USA
11-14 Clever, MO ......................... USA
11-14 Cassatt, SC ........................ USA
11-14 Wisconsin Dells, WI ................ USA
12-14 Jáuregui, Nuevo León........... México
12-14 Monterrey, Nuevo León ......... México
17 Cd. del Maíz, SLP ............... México
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