Posted by njdiver
Link: NJ DEP Division of Fish and Wildlife announcement. |
- unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38
Posted by bartman
on 11/1/2009, 7:04 pm, in reply to "Changes to Commercial and Recreational Possession Limits for Winter Flounder"
Moonsnail MasterI may not be the most sharp pensel in the box, but UNLIMITED seems like you can take allot - I mean on the GYPSYBLOOD, unlimited free sandwiches means you can take all you want, for free - it sounds great, but when the last crew member comes back, AND there is nothing left for me, I feel like, well, like it would be nice if someone left even one for me. Especially if there was like 80 or 90 sandwiches to start and only 20 something people eating. I mean, I am a dedicated working individual (notice I did not say HARD working lol) and my efforts go to support that resource of sandwiches in a very small way and I might just be hungry once and a while, you know in a recreational sort of way, I would like to open that cooler and find a sandwich or two left for me.
Now don’t misunderstand me, I know that some people that eat sandwiches don’t do it like I do recreationally. They take most of the sandwiches because that’s what they do for a living commercially and they have mortgages and kids to raise to, but come on UNLIMITED - does anyone wonder why there are no sandwiches left - so what happens - - In this case, the powers to be (Capt Jim) would state "there are almost NO SANDWICHES left for me to bring,(there are, don’t worry, I am making this up), SO I will only allow each paying commercial customer only 1 sandwich and well, none for the recreational crew members. The rational being the crew does not need to eat, I mean they don’t do much work anyway and cant tie in , ok they can but take like 18 minutes and tie to moving objects and such, so they can just do without. The recreational crew hearing this declaration, begins to complain, but is quickly drowned out by the screams of the commercial customers. They say how can we live off of just one sandwich, when I just had UNLIMITED for the past few years. How will I pay my mortgage and fuel bills!!! – Well the people in charge know this, but seeing they are in charge, just state “for the GOOD of all, you may only have one – And of course the recreational crew is upset as well and starts to complain and even sets up meetings with the Capt Jim, saying there’s a lot of us crew members and we deserve some sandwiches to. Now Capt Jim seeing the recreational crew member’s situation brings it up at the next Capt meeting where all the great thinkers are and a decision is made. At the next dive trip, Capt Jim announces that the people in charge decided that seeing you are just RECREATIONAL crew members and do support the sandwich resource, if any sandwich is dropped on the dirty deck by the commercial customers you can have that scrap, AND if anything is left in the cooler like a fallen apart soggy sandwich you can have that to, so be happy everyone and “LETS get out of Dodge!!!!”
Can you guess what happens next – I know…. After a few trips there are no more commercial customers coming out to go diving because they cant pay their mortgage and raise their kids on a single sandwich and the recreational crew members go away because it is not worth it to work recreationally for only the scraps left behind by the commercial customers - Capt Jim in charge (not the real Capt Jim) starts to go crazy, ripping his hair out, screaming out loud “How could this happen with all our great thinking and planning!!!???” “ How will I feed my kids?????” WHERE, OH WHERE, DID THE GREAT THINKERS GO WORNG???? – Do I really have to say it… come on we all know the answer; we all went to kindergarten did we not? The answer starts with being fair to everyone, which is something the Great Thinkers do not know how to do……
I remain
the bartman-mosb
- Re: unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38
Posted by Brian K
on 11/2/2009, 9:57 am, in reply to "unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38"
192.245.246.6All I wanted was a sandwich.....just one sandwich...and Capt Jim wouldn't give it to me! - Re: unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38
Posted by Glenn
on 11/2/2009, 6:53 pm, in reply to "Re: unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38"
64.12.117.67Bart, the simplest of solutions is to not let ANYONE have any sandwiches. Now with no need for the sandwiches consider the lessened impact on the rest of the environment. Now you didn't mention what kind of sandwiches but a sandwich starts with bread which comes from wheat. No sense of harvesting the wheat to make flour so might as well let the wheat grow, pollinate, reseed itself and be happy. Same for the peanuts and fruits if P & J sandwiches. NOW if their meat sandwiches, well you get the idea. No point of killing chickens, turkeys, cattle, etc. Let them all live a happy life to frolic and propagate. Can you imaging the joy, peace and harmony in the world? This is the ultimate end for the enviro's and thanks to the politicians we put in office who in turn appoint these type of people in charge of the agencies that make the decisions this is what we get. Stop blaming the com's, their abiding by the law as it is written and they are being squeezed as well, if you only knew.
- Re: unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38
Posted by bartman
on 11/2/2009, 10:29 pm, in reply to "Re: unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38"
Moonsnail Masteryou are correct they are abiding by the law as it is written, I was not stating they were doing anything illegal, nor was I saying we should not take any at all, on the contrary I think it should be managed fairly and above all with common sense - Lets see, I would start by not making laws that allow an UNLIMITED AMOUNT of a finite resource to be taken year after year. I would not allow large lobbying groups to effectively payoff the law makers to get the laws they want so they can profit from them, and if that’s what the commercial guys do, then let them own it. I would never enact such small recreational limits that knowingly crush the local economy and those individual that run them and above all I would NOT allow those that create these limits to base them on data that even they can’t agree among themselves as factual. I am sorry if I offended you or anyone else including you Mo that i didnt make my limited point of view more clear. You are correct about the new limit, it does not seem worth it to fish for just 38 or 2 fish no matter what you want to do with them
disclaimer:
the sandwiches refered to in the prior post were cajan turkey and cheese , italian mix of ham, capicola and povolone, and roast beast and cheese on hard rolls, all made by a saint of a women with love - let it be known i prefer the turkey and cheese, but as always i am easy so what ever is left over is fine
I remain
The bartman-mosb
- Re: unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38
Posted by Glenn
on 11/3/2009, 7:30 am, in reply to "Re: unlimited in 2008/2009 to a daily limit of 38"
64.12.117.67Bart
Don't misunderstand I'm on your side.
Understand "unlimited" means there is NO regulation or law and that's the way fishing WAS up until maybe 20 years ago when laws were started to be made.
As for the split between com's and rec's. I always thought it was 60/40 in favor of the com's. I was recently informed that in the case of the sea bass it's 51/49 favor of the rec's. Not sure about the fluke but the info is out there for public view if you care to look.
As for the paid lobbyists, I agree but that's the way it is and the way this country is run. Money talks, always did and always will so accept it. Now the com's are fighting to protect their livelihood. If laws were made to put you out of business and out on the street wouldn't you fight? There's NO law that is stopping the rec's from hiring their own lobbyists. What IS stopping them is apathy and bad attitude. They have NO problem spending thousands of dollars and in some cases hundreds of thousands if they own a boat to fish for "free" but will not spend a dime to protect that privilege, yes privilege, it's NOT a right.
I fully agree the "know it alls" don't know anything and THAT'S the problem. So in response to their ignorance and to "play it safe" they shut a fishery down or severely handicap it. I can understand the "reasoning" but I don't agree with it.
I know this appears I'm taking sides. I'm NOT but I am trying to look at this objectively and through the eyes of both sides. Yes I'm a rec and it affects me as hard as it does everyone else. It always comes down to the rec's vs the com's and this is an issue where BOTH sides need to come together and fight the common enemy, BIG BROTHER. - Re: Changes to Commercial and Recreational Possession Limits for Winter Flounder
Posted by Glenn
on 11/1/2009, 5:24 pm, in reply to "Changes to Commercial and Recreational Possession Limits for Winter Flounder"
205.188.117.67So in effect it's shut down. Are these the same people that say the sea bass and fluke stocks are in danger?
