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Re: Spanish "democracy" in the 2nd republic
Posted by Guy Stair Sainty on 19/6/2017, 16:52:42, in reply to "Re: Spanish "democracy" in the 2nd republic"
I have never stated that "I supported the Franco regime" - this is like accusing someone of being a Nazi, usually the last resort of those unable to form a coherent argument. I had been looking up something else on the BOE and came across the two entries confiscating the property of a defined class of person, the Grandees. Perhaps you support the confiscation of private property? I then commented on the FACT that the republic failed because within a few months of its establishment it deliberately alienated large sections of the population (Catholics) and a very small group, but no less entitled to equal protection under the law, the Grandees, as well as monarchists. You may well rejoice in the fantasy that the Republic was "good" and Franco "wicked, bad, beastly, horrible, cruel" or any other disparaging adjective but I think anyone with the slightest knowledge of the history of this period must know that matters were far more nuanced. There would have been no Franco if there had not been a deeply flawed republic. Of course those for whom history is a matter of slogans and who judge the past only by the standards of today are unlikely to bother to understand these complexities, particularly if they scorn those whom the republic selected as enemies. I am perfectly capable of accepting that Franco's treatment of his political opponents after his victory was entirely wrong, and made subsequent reconciliation much more difficult. He was also foolish to alienate the Catalonians by suppressing their institutions and language as that merely fed the independence movement; likewise the Basques who, previously, had been a bastion of conservatism.
I would suggest that anyone seriously interested in the future of the Spanish monarchy might wish to acquaint themselves with these issues, as they may well come into play again in the future. The Basque nationalists have already expressed the wish to expel "Spanish" from their territories and the Catalan schools not only teach Spanish as a second language (and even in that realm give greater weight to English - perhaps recognising the Catalan is absolutely useless anywhere except in Catalonia) but are already discriminating against "Spanish" as opposed to "Catalan" companies in contracts, etc. Furthermore, their schools also cynically teach a Catalan version of historical myth which will inevitably further deepen the breach between the younger generation of Catalonians and the rest of Spain, accentuating past grievances, imagined or real. There is a strong chance that should Spain break up into parts (and Franco's policies will be at least in part to blame), that being Spanish will be to become a 2nd class citizen. These provinces may even once again confiscate the property of Grandees.
: --Previous Message--
: We know about your political and religious
: views and support of the Franco regime, but
: this here is about the monarchy.Maybe we
: should concentrate on this as otherwise
: things could get difficult.
: The actions of the de facto Spanish
: government in respect to the Spanish
: nobility seem to be a topic which fits the
: parameters of this board. (I certainly was
: interested by the links to the Boletin
: Oficial del Estado).
: I'm not aware that Guy Stair Sainty has
: expressed "support for the Franco
: regime". He has, however, pointed out
: the murderous activities of the republicans.
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