Edited by Damian on 23/4/2017, 22:27:29
: This article is a summary of the book. Let's
: see the book. Anyway, I am glad how he
: treats this subject in the article.
: Especially when he says that all European
: countries applauded the expulsion of the
: jews. I am always surprised about the
: criticism of the Spanish jews. As the
: article says, it must be understood with the
: mentality of those times and we must have in
: mind that Spain was the last European
: country to expel its jews. Britain, for
: example, did it some centuries before.
: Of course, it was a disaster for the Spanish
: And the Catholic Monarchs did not expel
: Muslims. That happened in the XVII century.
: And about the Inquisition, even if it was
: bad for the country and its evolution, it
: was not so cruel, as depicted by the black
: legend. In more than 3 centuries, around
: 3000 people were sentenced to death.
: Killings of Catholics in England or Geneve
: by Calvin showed higher numbers, if we
: compare the periods of time. And even worse
: if we compare it to the Huguenots. Spain was
: not the first country to introduce the
: Inquisition and its trials had more
: guarantees than ordinary tribunals. Of
: course, I am not defending the Inquisition.
Oh I understand that other rulers of the time were just as bad and that England was actually the first European country to expel its Jewish population. It's just that the Jews had been settled in Spain for far longer than anywhere else in Europe (since Roman times I believe) and were a far larger proportion of the population. They had been living peaceably in Spain for many centuries and contributed greatly to the economy and to learning. They could have been a great asset to the monarchy of newly unified Spain but Isabel insisted on their expulsion for reasons of pure religious bigotry and not because they posed any sort of threat to her rule. It was a terrible own goal and detracts from her otherwise great record as a ruler and I am not unfairly singling her out because I feel just the same about Elizabeth I of England and her treatment of Catholics (although she did feel under threat after the Pope excommunicated her and incited some of them to rebel against her). Whilst I genuinely admire these people for their great achievements, I am always conscious of the dark, negative side and do feel it should never be buried or glossed over. It's just the way I feel about out historical heroes and heroines.
Sorry for thinking she expelled the Muslims too. That came later as you say. But I feel the expulsion of the Jews was a deadly precedent that sort of inevitably led to the expulsion of the Muslims too even if it did not actually take place until a century later. As for the Inquisition, I do not want to get into arguments about the precise number of people it killed which may well be less than Protestant propagandists would have us believe like you say. Nevertheless it remained for centuries a threat to freedom of expression and intellectual development in Spain merely by the fear and the threat that it posed. It was another dark and unnecessary legacy for Spain bequeathed by Queen Isabel.
Incidentally, did you know that one of the main reasons Edward I of England decided to expel his Jewish subjects was because his Spanish wife, Eleanor of Castile was heavily in debt to them?
Also,you mentioned to Eleonore about the Jewish exiles in the Netherlands originating from Portugal rather than Spain. However the expulsion of the Jews of Portugal was again at the insistence of the Catholic Monarchs as a necessary condition for the marriage of their eldest daughter to the Portuguese king. So again, the hand of Isabel.
: I know you enjoyed the TV series Isabel, but
: have you seen the 3 series?.
Alas, no. I have seen Series 1. It was shown on the Sky Arts Channel last year but I haven't yet seen Series 2 and 3 unless I have somehow missed them which seems very unlikely. I don't know if this channel has plans to show the other 2 series or not. I hope it does. If not, I guess I will have to try and track them down some other way.
: Will Brexit really affect the plans of
: long-term British residents to become
: Spanish citizens anymore than, say, it would
: for any prospective Spanish citizens born
: outside Europe?
: Many would like (well, need not like) to
: become Spanish citizens, but Spain does not
: allow dual citizenship with the UK. Mostly
: if they lose the access to the health
It may be that many of them, like Giles Tremlett, will be content to forego their UK nationality if needs be and just become Spanish citizens? I myself am seriously thinking of applying for Irish citizenship so I can get an Irish passport and continue to enjoy the rights of an EU citizen (I am entitled because one of my grandparents was Irish). Many of my fellow Brits are thinking of doing the same (either Irish or some other EU nationality).
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