Posted by manuel
on 12/10/2009, 22:26:55, in reply to "Re: Luis Alfonso: Duke of Franco?"
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That's what I said. He will never use titles he consider inferior to the Dukedom of Anjou.
--Previous Message--
: Titles of nobiliy are recognised in France, of
: course, by a legal procedure which has been
: in practice for centuries - and continued
: undert the 3rds, 4th and 5th republics.
:
: Since the charter of 1814 the nobility has
: ceased to be a privileged class.
:
: There is a difference between a title of
: nobility and a title of pretension (Duke of
: Anjou, Count of Paris, Duke of Calabria,
: Markgraf of Meissen, etc) which are titles
: used by heads of non-reigning royal houses.
: Thed titles of Count of Paris and duke of
: Anjou (and Prince Napoleon) are given
: courtesy recognition by the French state,
: not as noble titles but as attributes of the
: representatives of families that once
: reigned in France.
:
: Thus there is no comparison between a title
: of nobility (Duke of Franco) and title of
: pretensions (Duke of Anjou), one does not
: trump the other. The Count of Paris under
: French nobiliary law is Duke of Orleans,
: Chartres, Valois, Montpensier, etc, but does
: not use any of those titles. The Infante don
: Carlos whose title of pretension is duke of
: Calabria is also Count of Caserta, a Two
: Sicilies noble title. the former title,
: however, is used because it signifies his
: headship of the Royal House.
:
: The Markgraf of Meissen uses this title
: because it is more ancient than the royal
: Saxon titles, even though theoretically the
: title of Markgraf is lower than that of King
: or Crown Prince.
:
: Whatever title Louis-Alphonse succeeds to in
: Spain I am sure he will continue to be known
: as duke of Anjou not simply by his followers
: butalso by French official bodies. Of course
: he will never be King, but then nor will the
: Count of Paris (and Prince Napoleon will
: never be Emperor) but each of them represent
: sovereigns who once ruled France and thus
: have an important place as representative
: sof historic traditions.
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: Actually, the Dukedom of Franco is a more
: prominent title, a Grandee of Spain, while
: the Dukedom of Anjou is a title recognised
: in LA's French papers, but not a legal
: title. I mean, there is no nobility in
: France.
: And Franco is not a name to be linked to in
: the XXI century. Villaverde, in this sense,
: is more "neutral", let's say.
: Anyway, I doubt LA would use any of the
: titles, since he considers he is entitled to
: higher titles, ie, royal ones. Why being
: Marques of Villaverde, or Duke of Franco,
: when he thinks he is "HRH the Duke of
: Anjou"?
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: --Previous Message--
: That remark, that her son would never become
: King of France showed a sense of realism
: indeed. Beside the unlikely event of the
: French Republic becoming a monarchy again,
: in my opinion the claims of Louis-Alphonse
: de Bourbon are weak because of the
: international treaties which separated the
: House of Bourbon in a French and a Spanish
: branch and whic blocks the throne of France
: for the Spanish branch.
:
: Supporters of Louis-Alphonse will fight the
: legitimity of these Treaties but that is an
: already lost battle.
:
: If I understand your post correctly, Don
: Luis-Alfonso will become Marques de
: Villaverde and his uncle Don Francisco will
: become Duque de Franco?
:
: Maybe this settlement was done because Don
: Luis-Alfonso already is Duc d'Anjou and the
: Dukedom of Franco would be 'snowed under' by
: the more historic and prominent title of
: Anjou.
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