Posted by José
on 9/10/2009, 2:03:14, in reply to "Re: Count of Barcelona"
83.132.178.109
Thanks for the info.
I did not know that.
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: No, the relationship of Two Sicilies and Parma
: was different. Parma was subsidiary to the
: Spanish Royal Family. But I do not know if
: they formally asked for permission to marry.
: All reigning Dukes of Parma were created
: Infantes of Spain, while Kings of the TS did
: not.
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: The House of Parma was historically, and
: internationally, considered as a branch of
: the Spanish Royal House. The reigning Duke
: was an Infante of Spain reigning in Parma.
: His title was once "HRH the Infante
: Duke of Parma". So, the CoB had a say
: in Parma dynastic marriages. Members of the
: Parma family were also Spanish dynasts.
: When the present Grand Duke married, the CoB
: was no longer the Head of the Spanish Royal
: House and King Juan Carlos simply ignored
: Carlos Hugo. In 1979, he became a Spanish
: citizen and "don Carlos Hugo de
: Borbón-Parma y Borbón", with no title
: or style. I suppose that, since the death of
: Duke Roberto, the Spanish Royal House has
: considered the Headship of the House of
: Parma to be in a kind of limbo.
: Children of Carlos Hugo are given style and
: title by the Spanish Royal House since their
: aunt gave them Dutch titles (HRH and Princes
: de Bourbon de Parme).
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: Do you mean that the Parmas and the Two
: Sicilies have towards the Head of the SRF
: the same attitude that f.i. the Hannovers
: have to the Head of the British RF ?
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: Do they have to ask permission to marry ?
: Can the Head of the SRF ban from the
: succession of Parma or the TS a Parma or TS
: prince that won't ask for the king's
: permission ?
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: However members of the same family, they
: occupied independent thrones in foreign
: countries and it could be the case that at a
: certain time, a Parma prince would marry a
: princess from a house which was ennemy of
: Spain.
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: I am sure Carlos Hugo would not bother
: asking the CoB when he married Irene of the
: NL.
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: The laws are clear, but in 1960 duke Roberto
: II, despite the strongly expressed
: opposition of the Count of Barcelona (and
: the legacy of his own father's opposition),
: recognised the marriage of F-X as dynastic.
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: I can understand that he might have had a
: word on Carlist issues, but on the Parma
: family ?
: What's his business if F-X wedding was
: dynastic or not ?
: Althought the Parma family is a branch of
: the spanish Bourbons, AFAIK they are
: entitled to their own family rules, aren't
: they.
: Did the CoB mess around when C-H deprived
: the present GDuke of Luxembourg from family
: rights when he married M.Teresa Mestre ?
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: Since then there has been real disorder in
: the House.
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: The duke of Parma had no authority over the
: marriages of the Luxembourg pricnes except
: in regard to their Parma dynastic rights,
: not their other titles and styles.
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: It is a bit complicated because apparently
: Princess Marie-Madeleine de Bourbon de Parme
: née de Bourbon-Busset (mother of Prince
: Carlos-Hugo)
: was so dissatisfied with the political
: direction the Carlists went into and
: apparently the recognition of Juan Carlos de
: Borbón as rightful King of Spain.
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: She disinherited Prince Carlos-Hugo and his
: younger brother Prince Sixte got her estate.
: Under these the Château de Lignières.
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: So she deliberately bypassed the Head of the
: House of Parma, her own son Prince
: Carlos-Hugo.
: I thought that die-hard Carlists see Prince
: Sixte as heir head.
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: Pic: the very worn-out Château de Lignières
: (Cher, France)
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