Posted by José
on 8/10/2009, 21:40:46, in reply to "Re: Count of Barcelona"
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: The House of Parma was historically, and
: internationally, considered as a branch of
: the Spanish Royal House. The reigning Duke
: was an Infante of Spain reigning in Parma.
: His title was once "HRH the Infante
: Duke of Parma". So, the CoB had a say
: in Parma dynastic marriages. Members of the
: Parma family were also Spanish dynasts.
: When the present Grand Duke married, the CoB
: was no longer the Head of the Spanish Royal
: House and King Juan Carlos simply ignored
: Carlos Hugo. In 1979, he became a Spanish
: citizen and "don Carlos Hugo de
: Borbón-Parma y Borbón", with no title
: or style. I suppose that, since the death of
: Duke Roberto, the Spanish Royal House has
: considered the Headship of the House of
: Parma to be in a kind of limbo.
: Children of Carlos Hugo are given style and
: title by the Spanish Royal House since their
: aunt gave them Dutch titles (HRH and Princes
: de Bourbon de Parme).
Do you mean that the Parmas and the Two Sicilies have towards the Head of the SRF the same attitude that f.i. the Hannovers have to the Head of the British RF ?
Do they have to ask permission to marry ?
Can the Head of the SRF ban from the succession of Parma or the TS a Parma or TS prince that won't ask for the king's permission ?
However members of the same family, they occupied independent thrones in foreign countries and it could be the case that at a certain time, a Parma prince would marry a princess from a house which was ennemy of Spain.
I am sure Carlos Hugo would not bother asking the CoB when he married Irene of the NL.
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: The laws are clear, but in 1960 duke Roberto
: II, despite the strongly expressed
: opposition of the Count of Barcelona (and
: the legacy of his own father's opposition),
: recognised the marriage of F-X as dynastic.
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: I can understand that he might have had a
: word on Carlist issues, but on the Parma
: family ?
: What's his business if F-X wedding was
: dynastic or not ?
: Althought the Parma family is a branch of
: the spanish Bourbons, AFAIK they are
: entitled to their own family rules, aren't
: they.
: Did the CoB mess around when C-H deprived
: the present GDuke of Luxembourg from family
: rights when he married M.Teresa Mestre ?
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: Since then there has been real disorder in
: the House.
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: The duke of Parma had no authority over the
: marriages of the Luxembourg pricnes except
: in regard to their Parma dynastic rights,
: not their other titles and styles.
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: It is a bit complicated because apparently
: Princess Marie-Madeleine de Bourbon de Parme
: née de Bourbon-Busset (mother of Prince
: Carlos-Hugo)
: was so dissatisfied with the political
: direction the Carlists went into and
: apparently the recognition of Juan Carlos de
: Borbón as rightful King of Spain.
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: She disinherited Prince Carlos-Hugo and his
: younger brother Prince Sixte got her estate.
: Under these the Château de Lignières.
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: So she deliberately bypassed the Head of the
: House of Parma, her own son Prince
: Carlos-Hugo.
: I thought that die-hard Carlists see Prince
: Sixte as heir head.
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: Pic: the very worn-out Château de Lignières
: (Cher, France)
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