Posted by Johan on 8/5/2008, 11:56:10, in reply to "Re: Inheritance: Brabant law"
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In the Netherlands the war is hardly known. If at all than for 1672 that is called the Rampjaar (year of disaster) that ended the first stadholderless period in the counties of Holland and Zeeland and several other provinces of the Republic. In that year the Raadspensionaris Johan de Wit and his brother Cornelis were murdered and Willem III became stadholder.
Willem was the son of Louis' and Maria Teresa's first cousin Mary Henrietta Stuart, the first Princess Royal.
A plan of Louis XIV to later arrange a marriage between his cousin's son and his daughter with Louise de la Vallière was rebuffed with the remark that a prince of Orange only marries a legitimate daughter of a king.......
As Louis XIV was very fond of his daughter and his marriage to the queen only resulted in one surviving son he was very angry about this.
I've often wondered what would have happened if one of Louis' and Maria Teresa's daughters would have survived. Would she have become the wife of Willem and what would have happened to his first cousin Mary (II)??
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: That's what we call "guerra de
: devolucion" or the war of devolution.
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: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Devolution
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: The ancient Duchy of Brabant actually had a
: law that gave the inheritance of a deceased
: to the daughter of a first marriage over a
: son from a second. That principle at least
: was used by Louis XIV when he decided to
: invade the Netherlands (north and South)
: claiming the inheritance of his wife Infanta
: Maria Teresa who was the daugther from a
: first marriage and as such had more rights
: than the deceased king who was her
: half-brother from a second marriage.
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: Well your qualification of centuries just
: holds out if you count the French period.
: But the Dutch nobility laws exist only since
: 1814 and as such are less than 2 centuries
: old.
: Don't forget that some of the oldest titles
: the Dutch monarch holds came through female
: lines:
: Prince of Orange (through Claudia of
: Chalons)
: count of Buren (through Anna van
: Egmond-Buren)
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: You cannot have it both ways Henri. Either
: our crownprince has only that title
: crownprince of the Netherlands and the Queen
: has no right on the historic titles used in
: her etc etc etc in legal documents or if
: those titles do belong to the monarch and
: the heir to the throne is Prince of Orange
: than you do accept that title can go through
: the female line (as they have done in Dutch
: history before) and as such that changing
: Dutch law to treat noblewomen equal to their
: brothers is right.
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: I prefer the Dutch Government's stance not
: to
: change the for centuries existing principle
: of inheritance via the male lineage.
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: With indeed the ultimate effect that
: families will become extinct and that hardly
: new nobility will be created (only the Van
: Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg family since
: WWII). They have put a glass cover over the
: historic institution that the nobility is. I
: prefer that above chaning a historic
: institution to modern insights.
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