Posted by William F on 28/2/2012, 20:25:14, in reply to "Re: International Law"
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I knew the King of Spain wasn't there but didn't know about the President of Greece.
Was Juan Carlos following his governments advice or was it his own personal position that lead him not to attend?
--Previous Message--
: There were two major absences at Charles and
: Diana's wedding.
:
: 1. The king and queen of Spain, because
: Charles and Diana's honeymoon started in
: Gibraltar.
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: 2. The then greek president (who knows today
: who he was ?) because King Constantine and
: Queen Anne-Marie were invited under their
: full title...
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: --Previous Message--
: Thanks for the informative reply!
:
: My question is, how does the British
: Government feel about Buckingham Palaces
: recognition of the title for the former King
: of Greece in the face of disapproval from
: the Greek Government.
:
: The person I was debating said that they
: didn't think the British Government would
: support Buckingham Palace in their decision
: to recognize Constantine as King in the face
: of Greek disapproval of that practice.
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: --Previous Message--
: This was not a general principle but limited
: to the specific cases. There is no
: established principle in International law
: on this matter.
:
: However, one might consider the position
: taken by HM Queen Elizabeth II. Formal
: announcenents are still made in the Court
: Circular of, for example, "today is the
: ...th birthday of King Constantine of the
: Hellenes" or, also, of "Crown
: Prince Alexnader of Yugoslavia."
: Recently when Princess Margarita of Romania
: was received with her husband by the Prince
: of Wales at Clarence House, the
: announcemenrt appeared that Crown Princess
: Margarita of Romania and Prince Radu of
: Romania" were received etc.. even
: though these titles were both conferred by
: her father.
:
: The invitations to the wedding of the duke
: and Duchess of Cambridge were all issued to
: the former sovereigns with their full titles
: "i.e. HM King Michael of Romania"
: and these titles were also used in the
: protocol for the seating for the wedding
: dinner etc.
:
: The same applied to King Simeon, even though
: when he received the Golden Fleece it was
: given to him in the royal decree simply as
: His Excellency Simeon Saxe-Coburg and not
: with the title of King. But when he is
: inivted to royal functions in Spain, he is
: nonetheless invited with the title of
: Majesty and King.
:
: If you watched the funeral of Archduke Otto,
: you may have heard the telegram from the
: Pope which referred, in German, to His
: Imperial Highness Archduke Otto, Crown
: Prince of Hungary (Perhaps to the discomfort
: of the representatives of the Austrian
: republic there present).
:
: When the Earl of Essex attended a function
: in Germany, I noted that the court circular
: referred to Sie Erlaucht Erbprinz... for (I
: think) the heredirary prince of
: Waldburg-Zeil), even though quaklifications
: such as Erlaucht (usually translated as
: Illustrious Highness) are not recongised in
: Germany.
:
: When Count Attolico was ambassador of Italy
: to London I saw he was referred to as such
: in the court cifcular even though i am
: absolutely certain that this title
: (conferred upon his father, then Italian
: ambassador to Hitler's Germany) was not used
: in the official letters of credence.
:
: So I think you will find that most courts
: accord the former heads of reigning families
: and the family members their titles - and I
: know that Buckingham Palace has chosen to
: ignore the Greek government when, in the
: past, it protested at this usage.
:
: --Previous Message--
: I am not an expert in international law, but
: I
: have read that the principle was established
: in the Peace of Westphalia (1648) that
: formerly reigning kings have the right to
: retain their royal styles and titles for
: their lifetime. Hopefully, someone who
: knows more can correct me or elaborate on
: this.
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