Posted by José on 6/12/2011, 19:36:28, in reply to "Re: RIP Crown Prince Leka"
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And Zog could claim on his favour that he was a "local man", not an imported king as in Roumania, Bulgaria or Greece, with none whatsoever ties to the country they were "offered" to reign in.
Without the background of the Karageorgevics or Petrovics, but every dynasty has to have a starter without royal blood.
Take Monaco and the devious "monk" that assaulted the rock and started a dynasty.
Or the most unroyal Bonapartes that, would History have been different, might still be reigning in Imperial France.
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: The Orange-Nassau family only became
: hereditary servants of the States in 1748
: and that tenure ended in 1795 before that
: they had either a limited area (speaking of
: Willem IV's direct ancestors) or not the
: entire region if you speak of Frederik
: Hendrik, Willem II and Willem III.
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: I do realise Leka's family wasn't exactly
: the only feudal family in the land, but Zog
: got the throne. In the break up of the
: Ottoman Empire more nations became
: monarchies. So 1928 is late but not unheard
: of.
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: Well, yes they were rulers of this small
: region but what you must appreciate about
: Albania is that it had always been ruled by
: families who were local landowners on a kind
: of quasi-feudal basis (in that the
: inhabitants were subject to the judicial
: authority of these families) but they were
: constantly changing and few last more than 4
: or 5 generations.
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: They cannot be compared with families who
: had been ruling as sovereigns for
: generations. The Orange Nassau had been
: elected hereditary Stadtholders of the
: Netherlands before they became kings in
: 1815, andt they were intimately connected by
: blood with every protestant royal house.
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: Even though the Petrovich Niegoch had been
: hereditray bishops, they had managed to
: provide two brides for the Russian imperial
: family. But more to the point Zeta
: (Montenegro) had been an hereditary
: principality in the middle ages.
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: The Bonapartes were a new dynasty but in the
: time of monarchy it was hardly surprising
: that in a country which had a millenium of
: monarchy, that this should have been an
: obvious choice.
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: The Beauharnais had strong links not only
: with the new reigning dynasty but married
: into the Bavarian and Baden dynasties.
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: Zog's ancestors were not even as important
: as British landed families who regularly
: provided Lords Lieutenant of the English
: counties.
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: The family had been involved in the ruling
: of
: Albania as hereditary governors in the
: district of Mati since the Ottoman empire.
: So the family is not to be compared with the
: kind of dictators you mentioned. They do
: have something in common with houses like
: Orange-Nassau, Petrovic-Njegosh, Bonarparte
: or even the Beauharnais/Leuchtenbergs.
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: I am always a little surprised when new
: monarchies such as this one seem to gain
: support purely because they were monarchies.
: If the late president of Syria Hafez
: al-Assad had proclained himself King in
: 1971, would monarchists now be rallying
: round his wretched son?
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: Zog was an extraordinary figure in some
: ways, but really not much different to
: "Emperor" Bakassa - a president
: who decided he preferred Imperial Majesty to
: your Excellency and wasted a lot of the
: state's money in bringing this a kind of
: cheap hollywood glitz.
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: Zog managed to escape with his life (and the
: state treasury) when his country was invaded
: by Italy, but one cannot seriously propose
: that the Zogou monarchy had deep roots.
: Albania had never been a sovereign monarchy,
: but had been irregularly governed by the
: heads of several clans who were paid off
: periodically by Venice, Byzantium and the
: Ottomans. Its very brief experiment with the
: Wied monarchy in 1914 can hardly have laid
: the seeds of long-term monarchist sentiment.
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: I personally feel Leka's self-proclamation
: as king was ridiculous and see no reason to
: suppose that a "restoration" of
: this "dynasty" that lasted on the
: throne for no more than 1/3rd of the time of
: Al Assad or Gaddafi "dynasties",
: should garner support from anyone who
: believes constitutional monarchy to be a
: superior form of government to republics.
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: If monarchy does not have the necessary
: historical roots to give it authority, a
: direct association with the nation's history
: and independence from partisan politics than
: it is hard to justify.
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: The son is engaged so his fiancee might
: count
: as the second of the family. Than there are
: relatives of the deceased's father who could
: be seen as members of the Royal family.
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: Very sad. I am wondering with his passing,
: is
: his son, the Prince Leka, the only member of
: the royal house?
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: New blog article:
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: 'King' Leka of the Albanians has died
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