Posted by Johan on 9/11/2011, 22:55:11, in reply to "Re: equal treatment"
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After the French revolution only two coronations took place: Napoleon I's in the Notre Dame of Paris in 1804 and Charles X's in the cathedral of Reims in 1825.
France did not want female succession to prevent a foreigner becoming lord and master in the country. That is the basic sentiment underlining the Salic law of succession.
These days the husband of a reigning Queen would not become the actual ruler, he would simply be the sovereign's consort. France has had a long tradition of foreign Royal consorts so a male consort might be unusual at firt but not cause for concern. Besides France has had it's revolutions and isn't the same country or society it was during the ancien regime or any of the successive monarchies of the 19th century.
In Germany gender is also less determining in what someone can or can't do. So a female sovereign is not unlikely. The last male heir of the house of Anhalt has allready made it clear his oldest daughter will succeed him in his role as head of their family. Austria's most reverred and succesfull sovereign is Maria Theresia. So the reign of an Empress Maria Theresia II would be welcomed like the reign of Elisabeth II was in England.
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: From ancient times, the English, Iberian,
: and Scandinavian monarchies had traditions
: of succession through the female line, and
: even of female monarchs. The German and
: French monarchies never did. The German
: monarch (Holy Roman Emperor)was elective,
: but always held by a male. When the agnatic
: Hapsburg line failed, and through the
: Pragmatic Sanction, Maria Theresa became
: Empress, her consort Franz held the title of
: Emperor. Perhaps nowadays, with the Holy
: Roman Empire a thing of the past, it might
: be more likely to envision a reigning
: Empress or Queen in Germany or Austria.
: Though it would still be a break with
: tradition, especially so for the
: Hohenzollern family, which has always been
: associated with male agnatic succession.
: Even the Hapsburgs (with the exception of
: Maria Theresa) have always been associated
: with succession through the male line.
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: France, in former times, would also have had
: serious problems with the concept of a
: reigning female monarch. The old original
: French coronation ceremony was heavily
: steeped in religious tradition, and
: according to some interpretations, the
: monarch himself was ordained into minor
: religious orders during the coronation
: ceremony. Perhaps these traditions changed
: when Louis Philippe became 'King of the
: French' instead of 'King of France'. It
: would be interesting to know what his
: coronation ceremony was like. Perhaps it
: differed from that of his predecessors.
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: The French , German, and Italian monarchies
: were both heavily invested in agnatic and
: male succession, much more so than the other
: European monarchies. But times do change, as
: does public opinion.
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: Because this marked the nadir of
: monarchist-Catholic relations with the
: republican state. The republic organised a
: brutal campaign of oppression against the
: church and church schools, invading
: monasteries and convents and driving out
: nuns and monks at gun-point. They did so
: because they thought they could get away
: with it and did.
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: the First World War changes this
: dramatically with the church of Sacre Coeur
: being built immediately after it and the
: Action Francaise gaining real political
: traction until it became too controversial
: and was denounced by the Church and by the
: count of Paris.
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: If France had returned to a monarchy in 1873
: it might well have had another revolution in
: 1905.
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: Why might a revolution have occured in 1905?
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